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Offline Eagle Eye

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Burris Fullfield II
« on: January 05, 2007, 01:08:08 PM »
I saw a Burris Fullfield II in 3x9x40 today that got me interested.   The price is extremely low for Canada.......$239....compared to say a Leupold VX-III 3.5x10x40 that runs about $700.  Anyway, I am looking for a replacement scope for my Remington 700 CDL in 25-06....this is my dual purpose rifle.  It currently wears a Leupold FX-III 6x42 and while it is great for deer hunting, I often want for more power when coyotes are in the scope.    I have always been a Leupold buyer but the price of the Burris is very reasonable and the optics looked great in the store.    Nikon's and other good quality scopes are not easy to find here so I have Leupold, Bushnell, Weaver and Ziess to choose from, besides the Burris.   I am wondering about service, quality, dependability, POI shifting, bad tracking, shock resistance and that sort of thing.....comments? 

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Re: Burris Fullfield II
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2007, 01:26:41 PM »
I have a Leupold Vari X III, in 4.5 x14 matte finish, with A.O.  no nicks or scratches, comes with box and papers,, fine duplex   as new in box, 400.oo  plus shipping...

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Re: Burris Fullfield II
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2007, 02:46:26 PM »
I have been using a Burris FF II 3x9x40 for quite a few years.  It has been put thru the paces and still shoots great.  Although it seems that most leupie fans usually go back to the Leupies after trying the Burris.  I used a Varix III for many years and I really love my Burris just as well.  Hope this helps.
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Re: Burris Fullfield II
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2007, 01:33:42 AM »
I think the Burris FFII is a very good value for the price.  I wouldn't put it in the same class as a Leupold VX III, but more the quality of a VXI.  It's certainly a clear, bright scope and at a good price.

If you check, it's probably a combo deal and comes with a pair of binoculars, making it even more attractive at that price.
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Re: Burris Fullfield II
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2007, 03:42:00 PM »
Ive had a burris on my 7mag for 10 years. last year it fogged on the inside. put inside truck to dry after the hunt. scope cleared up, hunted in rain for another5 days no more problems. sent scope to burris. they inspected cleaned replaced o rinngs free of charge. I dont think you get a better scope for under 200 bucks. 
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Re: Burris Fullfield II
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2007, 04:50:43 PM »
I think you have the best choice for a scope already on your rifle.

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Re: Burris Fullfield II
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2007, 07:18:45 PM »
I agree with glazer.  Honestly, how often do you have the time to zoom in on an animal anyway?  I can only think of one time that I could have zoomed in, and I still didn't do it.  I can see the value of having the lower range on a variable to have a wide field of view for close shots if you are calling coyotes, but 6x should be fine for any shots out to 350-400 yds on an animal coyote size or bigger.

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Re: Burris Fullfield II
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2007, 04:00:44 AM »
Boy, you guys are mean!!!  Here I want a new toy to play with and some are saying that is wrong to spend my money.  My oh my, what a world.   ;D

Anyway, yes the 6x42 is a great scope and it serves me okay on the 25-06.  However, since this rifle is being delegated to dual purpose, I want more magnification.  The 6x42 is headed for mounting on a 700 XCR in 30-06, which is to become my new general purpose rifle. 

Since you guys are not overly excited about the Fullfield II, what else do you suggest?  I have been toying with a Luepold 4x14x40 with the Boone and Crocket crosshair at the store.  Very nice but sadly not as clear or as bright as the Burris.  A heck of a lot more expensive too!  Any suggestions for makes and models? 

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Re: Burris Fullfield II
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2007, 04:28:04 AM »
Oh, I'm not telling you to forget the Burris. I LOVE to help other people spend their money.   ;D  I'm a "don't change what works" kinda guy, but since you seem determined to get a new scope,  here's my thoughts.

I've had several Fullfields.  Really, for the money, I don't know if you can get a nicer scope.  Shop on-line and you can get really good deals on scope packages.  I've gotten the scope you are looking at for as little as $150, shipped, new in the box, on ebay.  I'd take any Burris scope over any Leupold any day of the week, but I'm the unusual person that has had issues with each Leupold I've had.  I've heard alot about issues with Burris's customer service, but I've never had to use it.  From personal use, I've had nothing but positives about the Fullfield. 

Others that I like are the Bushnell Elite 3200 series (probably my top pick in this price range), Weaver Classic and Grand Slam, and the Nikon Monarchs.  I like the 3200's because the Rainguard is a miracle if you hunt in any weather condition, not just on nice days.  3 hours in a downpour in a treestand during deer season made me a believer.

I think that any of the scopes listed are superior to the Leupold's until you get into the new VXIII's (maybe).  I've not looked at any new VXIII, and don't plan on it, so I can't offer a comparison.  The only advantage that the Leupold's have is in eye relief, but that is a non-issue on a 25-06, really.  Just about scope has enough relief for your rifle.

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Re: Burris Fullfield II
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2007, 04:47:53 AM »
Thanks kyelkhunter3006 .  That was valuable input. 

The reason I didn't run out and immediately buy another Leupold is that I have had issues with a number of them and I am getting rather tired of that and their high price.  I figure if I pay top dollar for a product, it should be good but some haven't tracked properly, one had a broken erector assembly right out of the box new, the subject 6x42 I got last year has a "not completely straight" crosshair on the left side, etc.  I am fussy when it comes to detail and that bugs me!  However, they have never failed to function for me in the field and that is one of the reaons I kept buying them.  I guess there is a bit of Leupold ego in their too.   :o

I am a bit concerned about Bushnell.  At one time, they were on my "no go list".  I had one about 20 years ago and it didn't track properly so I never considered them again.  Is the Bushnell 3200 Elite really that good?   We get mostly snow rather than rain here and not a lot of that so I don't know how much the rainguard would be a help to me. 

Have your Burris scopes worked well....tracking, POI shifting, etc.???  By the way, the Burris up here is $239 CDN, rather than the MSRP of $349.  So, when one considers duty, shipping, and hassle factor, I will buy from a store here, not mail order or EBay.  The price point for the Fullfield is so low.....A Leupold VX3 3-10x40 is about $650 in comparison. 

Thanks again  for your input. 

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Re: Burris Fullfield II
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2007, 06:00:09 AM »
AMEN!!!!  I lost my Leupold ego a long time ago.  I've never missed it either. 

I love the Bushnell Elites.  I've had 4 of them, two were 3-9x40, two are 2-7x32.  Not a single issue with any of them.  Smoothest power ring I've evere used, and tracking is perfect.  I think that the light transmission is 88% or 90%.  Elite 4200's have 95% transmission for the higher dollars.  You can get a ballistic reticle now, but it's about a $100 premium over the regular duplex.  Made Japan means quality.  Lifetime warranty and severe G-force testing helps with my confidence.  Most other big names offer the same thing.

Here's story about snow.... I was coyote hunting last winter in a decent snowfall.  I didn't have an Elite on the particular rifle I was using, it was a Simmons Whitetail Expedititon.  Sitting under a tree on edge of a 200 acre field, calling, when a bunch of snow on the tree fell on me and my rifle.  I couldn't get the scope clear enough to see through, and my buddy got a double on two dogs 5 minutes later, since I was still wiping lenses.  On coyotes, not a big deal.  If it had been a big buck, I'd have beaten myself silly with the rifle.  Graybeard and many others on here love the Elites too. 

The Burris scopes I had were very nice.  Tracking was perfect, no POI shifting, smooth rotation of the power ring (not quite as good as the Elite).  They have the Ballistic plex reticle as a standard, maybe an extra $20 over the duplex.  They boast of 95% light transmission, but I can't tell the difference between them and the Elite 3200's.  Fullfields parts are made in the Phillipines (I think) and the scopes are assembled in the States.  Supposed to be some of the most durable scopes made.

Regarding ballistic reticles, I've found that for most of my shooting, I can't use them.  They are all designed to sight in dead on at 100 yds with most cartridges, 200 yds with fast magnum rounds.  I am SO used to sighting in a couple of inches high at 100, I usually don't even think of using the hash marks. After a couple of fluffed shots, I quit using them.  I hardly ever shoot at game past 300 yds anyway, so I prefer the old duplex.  I practice further out, so I know where to hold if I need too.  If you are shooting long range consistently, then sight in for it, or use Maximum point blank range sight in.  Why sight in at 100 yds and then use holdover marks?  You still have to know your trajectory and how to shoot at long range. 

I think that the Elites are a little more finely finished for the total product than the Fullfield, but that wouldn't deter me from taking advantage of a good deal on Fullfield.  When I'm scope shopping, first one's I look at are the Bushnell and the Burris.  If I don't find a deal I like, then I start looking for Weaver deals.  If it's a scope that will get used in bad weather,  I will get the Bushnell, even if I have to pay a bit more.  If weather won't be an issue, then I take the best deal between the three brands I can get.

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Re: Burris Fullfield II
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2007, 07:54:51 AM »
I purchased a 3x9x40 Burris FFII recently.  The plan was to replace an older Weaver 2.5x7 on a long action Savage 110CL.  The plan was to stay with the original Weaver bases on the rifle.  Loc-tite was used when they were installed. 

The problem came when I found the length of the tube on which to place mounting rings on was about ¼ - inch shooter on the Burris scope.  I needed that ¼-inch for the 110CL.  I took a look at the Weaver extension rings and felt they would not work because of the large diameter of the power ring on the FFII.  The large diameter power ring would not clear the extension mount.

I had a couple of options, look for new base mounts that would make up the ¼ - inch or mount the scope of a different rifle.  I mounted the scope on a Remington 760 using high scope rings to clear the power ring and chamber area of the barrel.     

The failure was on my part.  Before purchasing the scope I failed to take some basic measurements.  If I had I would not have purchased the scope for the planned application.

I had looked at the Nikon Buckmaster, and the Burris FFII on the day of the purchase.  The price was the same, except the Burris FFII came with a pair of binoculars.  The Buckmaster most likely was a better fit.

I have had time to think about why I liked the old Weaver Scope; it mounted low on the rifle and allowed for me to keep my cheek down on the stock while obtaining fast target acquisition.  I like the looks of a low mounted scope rather then a scope mounted of stilts.  The stilt effect starts on scopes that have 40MM objectives are larger.  The low mounting Weaver 2.5x7 has a 32MM objective bell, and a friends Leupold 2.5x7 has a 33MM bell.  They are ideal for fast action and shooting deer and antelope out to 300 yards. 

The old Weaver is back on the 110CL and sighted in.  It cost me $200 + to decide what I want.  When my mad money account is refilled I will be looking for a deal on a Weaver Classic V10.  The V10 is 2.5X10X38MM offers a good fit.  I have a couple of them and they hold up in nasty weather.

The bottomline was the Burris FFII was not a good drop in replacement in this case.  Good scope wrong application. 

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Re: Burris Fullfield II
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2007, 03:03:49 PM »
Just a quick update.  I spent days looking and pricing various scopes...even seriously considered Ziess Conquest 4-14x44 for my 25-06.  In the end, the cost ruled the day.  For my 25-06, I got a Bushnell Elite 4x12x40mm AO with the ballistic long range reticle.  For the new Remington 700 SPS SS 30-06, I bought a Bushnell Elite 3x9x40mm.  Yes, I am so fed up with Leupold that I traded off my FX3 6x42mm.  I got the 2 scopes for peanuts. 

One issue I was not aware of regarding Burris is their service centre is only in the USA.  Because of our gun control, sending a scope to the USA can be a hassle...it needs a permit to get it back across the border plus proof of Canadian purchase to avoid customs taxes.  Bushnell has a Canadian service centre, as does Leupold and Ziess.  Anyway, that is why I passed on the Burris Fullfield...otherwise, it is a nice scope. 

Thanks for al your input guys.  Best regards. 

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Re: Burris Fullfield II
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2007, 10:50:09 AM »
You made great choices in the Elite scopes.  I have loved all that I have had.......if they would only make a 4x and a 6x fixed scope, I'd be in heaven.  Let us know how that ballistic reticle works out for you, I haven't read any reviews on it yet.

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Re: Burris Fullfield II
« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2007, 05:48:25 PM »
Ooops....seems I may have overlooked the eye relief on the Elite 3200 3x9x40 going on a 30-06.....the question is..is it enough? 

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Re: Burris Fullfield II
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2007, 05:31:20 AM »
I looked at the FullfieldII and liked it a lot.  But ended up going with the 4200 elite.  And I couldn't be happier.  It ranks right up there with the optics of my VXIII, well close enough for the $300 less it cost.
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Re: Burris Fullfield II
« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2007, 06:00:12 AM »
you made a great choice with the Elite 4200.  They are super scopes and very tough.

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Re: Burris Fullfield II
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2007, 08:12:51 AM »
The eye relief should be fine.  I had one mounted on a 6lb 30-06 and never got bit. 

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Re: Burris Fullfield II
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2007, 08:48:32 AM »
I Googled eye relief and found this:

The Essentials Of Eye Relief
Scope cuts qualify as "avoidable collisions." The trick is in getting the full-field picture without getting a lot of grief.
By Craig Boddington
 
John Lazzeroni aims one of his L2000 rifles in one of the worst possible positions for accentuating recoil: prone, cramped, uphill. In a situation like this, there's almost no such thing as enough eye relief.
 
Not too long ago a riflemaker sent me a powerful, flat-shooting rifle to play with. Being well intended, he sent it fitted with a powerful scope that, optically, I rate as one of the finest in the world. The problem was, I couldn't keep away from it. No matter what position I shot from, the doggone scope hit me between the eyes at least two out of three shots.  Fortunately, it was well padded with rubber so it didn't actually cut me. Instead, it was one of those scopes that my old friend Bob Milek (who really hated recoil) described as one that would just "bludgeon you to death."  Needless to say, I couldn't shoot the rifle like that, and if I kept on shooting it that way it wouldn't be long at all until I couldn't shoot anything without a flinch. I took it off, returned it with gratitude, and replaced it with a scope costing perhaps only a third as much; definitely inferior in optical quality, but offering a whole bunch more eye relief. Eye relief, by the way, is very simply defined as the distance between your eye and the scope at which you get a full field of view.  We don't think about eye relief too much when we're shopping for scopes. It isn't easy to check until the scope's on the rifle. And what looks like enough may not be once you start shooting. That depends mostly on how much recoil you're subjecting yourself to, but also to some degree on how you shoot. Me, I'm a stock-crawler, and I have permanent scars on my forehead to prove it.  High-magnification scopes tend to have less eye relief than a standard hunting variable in the 3.5-10X class. This is not a problem on a varmint rifle; given reasonably proper shooting form, no .22 centerfire (and probably no 6mm) should ever cut anybody. Low-range variables like a 1.5-5X tend to have the most eye relief, which is a good thing because they are the most likely scope to be mounted on big-bore with lots of recoil.  One of the problems, however, is that many shooters are now mounting extra-powerful scopes that used to be considered varmint scopes onto powerful rifles intended for long-range shooting. The three-inch-plus eye relief that is most common is not enough. Sure, you might get by with it on the range, but from weird field-shooting positions you are very likely to get cut. And, come to think of it, weird shooting positions can transcend gun weight and recoil considerations. The worst scope cut I ever got was from a standard .30-06 with a standard 3-9X scope--but fired from a cramped prone position. I got the deer, but I badly needed stitches that I didn't get.  Sadly, I don't think most manufacturers pay much more attention to eye relief than the average scope buyer, and when the buyer gets cut, the rifle is more often blamed than the scope. Many scopes--including some very good ones--don't have enough eye relief for all of their potential uses. One of the pitfalls, too, especially now that variables are almost universal, is that eye relief can change as the magnification is increased or decreased. The 3 1⁄2 inches you get at the lowest setting may be enough under most field conditions, but the three inches you get at the highest setting may be inadequate.

ust how much eye relief you need depends on rifle, caliber, gun weight, how much you shoot and what positions you're shooting from. And given the infinite number of field shooting positions, there are some positions where you simply can't get enough support and/or flexibility to prevent being cut. In the excitement of the moment you may not be aware of this. And--trust me--it's even worse when you know what's going to happen up front and you're forced to decide whether the shot and the animal are worth the pain.

The ideal, of course, is for it not to hurt. Above the varmint rifle level I'm pretty sure you need at least 31⁄2 inches of constant eye relief in order to keep away from the scope under most conditions. More is better, but it's rare. So I was thoroughly delighted to learn that Nikon's new premier Monarch Gold line with 30mm tubes (and 30mm internal components and optics) incorporates a full four inches of eye relief, constant across the power spectrum.

The glass is great, the ruggedness is superb, the adjustments are precise and the eye relief has been as adequate as most competitors. But the company's introduction of a 30mm scope with four inches of constant eye relief is, to me, pretty darn near revolutionary. Currently there are just three models: 1.5-6X, 2.5-10x50, and 2.5-10x56, each with a choice of a Nikoplex (which resembles a standard plex) or German-style reticle. I'd like to see something between a 3-12X and 4-16X in this lineup, but until I see one, my plan is to put one of these 2.5-10Xs on a .300 magnum and another one on a .375 or .416.

I'm tired of scope cuts!

End of quote

I guess you can see that according to this well known gentlemen, 3" of eye relief when using eye glasses on a 30-06 is not enough.  I wanted to do it right, so, I took the scope back and bought a Ziess Conquest 3x9x40 instead.   It has 4" of constant eye relief.  Now, regarding the 25-06, I am wondering about it too.....

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Re: Burris Fullfield II
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2007, 09:02:04 AM »
I'll add to this that Mr. Boddington also has several European scopes on rifles in 30-06 and up that have 3.5" or less of eye relief, according to a lot of his material that I've read.  He also mentions that he is very bad about the crawling the stock.  I would say that 90% of big game scopes have 3-3.5" of relief, and if that wasn't enough for the common guns up to 30-06 or 7 mag, the makers would make it longer.  But you need to use what makes you comfortable, or you won't be able to shoot worth a darn if you don't.  The Conquest is an extremely nice scope and you will love it.

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Re: Burris Fullfield II
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2007, 09:13:34 AM »
I believe ol Bushy got a bad name for there low end scopes years ago. Bushnell is like Kell. Corn Flakes, you need to try them again for the first time with the 3200 & 4200 line.  Have several and is now my go to scope line. Have a 2.5x10x50 on my 338wm and carried it in Co. elk hunting in a snow storm. The bell filled up with frozen snow. Turned upsidedown and flicked snow out, clear as a bell.
As for eye relief Bushnell has a 3200 3x10x40 with 3.7 eye relief and a new 3x10x50 with 3.8 eye relief.

Eagle Eye, U will be well pleased with your choice.

Kyelkhunter, we may just end up getting along after all. LOL

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Re: Burris Fullfield II
« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2007, 09:31:13 AM »
 ha ha ha   ;)

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Re: Burris Fullfield II
« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2007, 12:18:48 PM »
I just got a Bushnell 4200 for my 25-06 in 4x6x40mm.   Very nice and very clear.  I compared it to the 3200 in 5-15x40 and the 4200 was noticably better in clarity, brightness and detail.  So the job is done and I am a lot poorer.   :o  I now have a dual purpose rig and a general purpase rig.   

Thanks again for everyone's input. 

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Re: Burris Fullfield II
« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2007, 12:43:47 PM »
You might be poorer in the pocketbook, but you've gotten a lot richer in shooting and hunting pleasure.   ;)

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Re: Burris Fullfield II
« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2007, 09:30:29 AM »
I made it to the range yesterday to test the new toys.  The Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40mm is by far the nicest scope I have ever had the chance to use....it makes the Leupold VX3's I have had look pretty ordinary in comparison.  Sure the Zeiss is bright and sharp...like a lot of scopes are today but.....it is the clarity that sets it apart.  I could see bullet holes at distances I have never been able to before and at low magnification.  The cross hair goes to a very fine point at the center and that makes multiple same place impacts very easy.  I can only imagine what an AO Zeiss scope in higher magnification would be like!   Also, the Remington SPS SS in 30-06 it sits on did the job nicely.  I got 2800 fps average cronographed velocity using Nosler 180 gr Partitions and 3 shot groups were under an 1" at 100 yards.  For those looking for a hard hitter (2000 pounds of energy at 300 yards), test drive a 30-06 Remington with the R-3 recoil pad on it....mine felt like a 270!!!!

The Bushnell 4200 Elite in 4-16x40 I mounted on my 25-06 also worked very well with no complaints...except that it isn't quite as sharp as the Zeiss....but then, it didn't cost anywhere like a Zeiss either.  At a 12 power setting, I managed a tight cloverleaf using 87 Speer TNT's at 100 yards and clocked 3300 fps.  That was without load development so the potential is there.  Nosler 120 Partitions also came in under an inch at 100 yards so I am ready for big game too. 

All in all, a great day at the range.  Thnaks again for the help you guys provided.  Greatly appreciated. 

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Re: Burris Fullfield II
« Reply #25 on: July 13, 2007, 06:44:01 PM »
I have owned the Bushnell Elite 3200, the Leupold VX1 and two Burris Fullfields, one an older model and the other manufactured in 2005.  Of these scopes, I liked the Bushnell Elite first, the Burris FF 1&2, then the Leupold.  I let someone talk me out of the Elite 3200 and I will replace it soon enough but for now, the Burris FF scopes have never ever let me down, period.  I think they are great.  I sent the older FF back to Burris because I couldn't square it up and it took them just a little over a week to get it back to me and it was just as good as new.  No problem with their C.S. department, whatsoever. I thought they were great.