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Need some imput on shoulder replacement..
« on: May 10, 2007, 12:40:10 AM »
  Sorry if I misposted..just couldn't find an appropriate thread and need some advice from my friends at Graybeard's.

   This old blacksmith is looking at the possibility of a shoulder joint replacement.

    I do have continuous pain, even a small amount when not in use... Needless to say, whenever I use it; especially when arm is extended... results in considerable pain..

  If you or someone you know well has had this done..please offer some advice, precautions and etc.

  How long for recovery ?   Is drug therapy for "a lifetime" needed after replacement ?

  Is this an advisable operation ?

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Re: Need some imput on shoulder replacement..
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2007, 01:44:16 AM »
I don't have any info' regarding shoulder replacements but I can sympathize with you.  :'(  I have a wing that's been troubling me steady for about three weeks now.  At first I thought it was the usual bursitis which comes and goes, only it ain't going.  Doc. thought it might be shoulder strain and put me on some heavy duty anti inflamitant which is tearing up my stomach.  :P  I think it's a pinched nerve myself because my hand/arm often gets those pins and needles feelings and it actually hurts more when I am not moving.  Think I will make an appointment with a bone cracker to See if they can help.  Haven't had a decent nights sleep in three weeks.   >:(

My dad had both knees replaced, one went real well the other gave him some trouble but over all he had said he wished he had them done years earlier than he did.  Mom had a hip done.  Mom is one of those folks who had hardly ever been sick a day in her life and had never experienced any lasting pain or discomfort.  So now that she is older she complains about every ache and pain and is constantly talking about how miserable she is.  The line that always gets me is when she says "I didn't have all these aches and pains until I reached 75."  God bless you Mom.
 
Well hang in there Ironglow.  I'll say a prayer for you.

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Re: Need some imput on shoulder replacement..
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2007, 03:59:27 AM »
1. Seek second opinions.  Some guys are "cut first" types.  Ask around about who specializes in shoulders (orthopeadics) You may even have to travel to a nearby city for a better, more experienced doctor.  Where are you located?
2. Try as much as possible to rehab, physical therapy, SOME medication, etc before getting cut.  While surgery will overall make a serious problem better, it will NEVER be the same.
3. IF you do have surgery, you may only need a cartilidge cleanup by arthroscopy (scope), or if really bad a replacement. Hopefully the first, maybe somewhere in between.

I have no idea by your description how bad it is.  How much have you seen doctors about it?  Sounds like it may even be a torn rotator cuff by description.
Joint replacement is pretty serious stuff.  Shouldn't be lifetime medication stuff, but recovery will be tedious and possibly long.  What ever you have done, DO THE REHAB ( I didn't on my knee, (not a replacement)) it makes a difference.  And Follow Doctors Orders.  It's real easy to overdo things while rehabing cuz it feels better, trouble is it's not better enough and folks tend to overdo it.

IF YOU GET A CORTIZONE (spelling?) SHOT, whatever you do DON'T go hame and do ANYTHING you couldn't do before the shot.  The cortizone will make the joint feel so much better you will be tempted to do things you couldn't do before it.  It is temporary relief and fixes nothing.  If anything, it makes you make the problem worse when you over do it.

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Re: Need some imput on shoulder replacement..
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2007, 04:07:34 AM »
Ironglow, I love ya man, but you've come to a forum like this for medical advice?  I suppose if you're looking for someone who has some personal experience, that might serve some purpose, but wouldn't you be more likely to get the latest and best info from the horses mouth?

In any case, I wish you the best and hope that there is something short of a rebuild that will work for you.
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Re: Need some imput on shoulder replacement..
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2007, 04:46:55 PM »
 Thanks for the input, Guys..
  Yes TM7..it is my forging (hammer) arm...
 
   Yup Magooch, it seems that it would be better to go to a med site..but I already have been to a bone doc..he says that I'm a good candidate for a shoulder repl..nbut at my level of use, i may wear it out in a year.
  I was really hoping to get some "experienced" info from someone who has "been there, done that"! That is sometimes the best info..

  I really didn't want to go on a forum with folks discussing "ailments"...I may just be walking into a whole passel of hypochondriacs..

   I thought that with GB having so many thousands of physically active folks contributing...perhaps there are some with some real-time experience..
 Guess I'll just keep fioghting it till I can't go further..then go get the job done...
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Re: Need some imput on shoulder replacement..
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2007, 04:30:57 AM »
Ironglow, I know what you mean about shoulder pain, I've dealt with it for years. Family doctor diagnosed as arthritis and did a cortisone injection. It was instant relief that lasted for months. I finally went to an orthopedic guy that had done excellent work for us when my wife broke her leg. Did x-rays and dye injections and scans and then did cortisone again. The cortisone every year or two has kept me going but everyone has different levels of relief with it. I don't shoot rifles with much recoil anymore. Find a good orthopedic man and see what he suggests. My family doctor now (the old one died) has an shoulder replacement. He says it just kills him after playing golf. He still plays two or three times a week.

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Re: Need some imput on shoulder replacement..
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2007, 03:58:06 PM »
IRONGLOW. I too have a bad right shoulder. My family doc says I just wore it out. I've had 2 cortisone shots but they didn't help much. He said to take it as long as I could cause surgery and healing would take several months. Ibuprofen is my friend, taken several times a day. I also use a cream called BLUE EMU, I get it from walmart, it's $13. 47 a jar, lasts about a month. It's not a cure and takes a week or so to see a difference, but it does help. It's not like a liniment, doesn't heat up at all, but it has given me some relief. I drove thousands of nails in over 20 years of carpentry, it's caught up to me I guess. Good luck my friend. Charlie.  :( :( :( :( :( :(
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Re: Need some imput on shoulder replacement..
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2007, 03:56:24 PM »
   TM..How big are these large doses of glucosamine ? I take about 1500 mg per day. Actually, my rotator cuff is pretty well disintegrated and the specialist says that glucosamine can repair..but not replace,still I would be willing to try.

  O & S..I tried a cortisone shot last year and it helped for a month or two, so I will try taking one a bit later..to get me through the summer museum/ historical & State Fair  commitments..

  Yes Powderman, I believe Ibuprofen may become a familiar friend...LOL

  I REALLY HATE to think of having to give it all up..below are a couple pics of my work..A church railing ( my home church), and a hot twisting tool (made from a monkey wrench)
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Re: Need some imput on shoulder replacement..
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2007, 04:26:55 PM »
IRONGLOW. The blue emu takes several days before you will notice a difference. I use it morning and night. On my days off I use it more. Good luck my friend. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Need some imput on shoulder replacement..
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2007, 10:13:12 AM »
I hope this reply doesn't come too late. As a surgical technologist, I've been in on several of these surgeries. My wife had one done two years ago. Don't pay attention to the suggestions of the medicine men on this forum. When a shoulder has bone-on-bone degeneration, no herb or balm will fix it. The surgery is often a complete cure, leaving no residual pain. My wife's case is pretty typical. The pain pre-op was so great that, even immediately after surgery, she was more comfortable. Now, she doesn't even think about it.

I take glucosamine, ginkgo and vitamins myself, and have made good use of chiropractors, but there are times when conventional medicine is quite appropriate. Make sure the orthopedic surgeon who does the surgery has done quite a few. Don't hesitate to ask. Be as particular in choosing a surgeon (and anesthesiologist or nurse anesthetist) as in choosing a self-defense handgun. Your life depends on it

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Re: Need some imput on shoulder replacement..
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2007, 11:59:12 AM »
Thanks Toysoldier;

   Does the replacement wear well ?  Is it lubricated by natural body fluids?.  After replacement, will a person normally have to use some kind of drug therapy for life ?
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« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2007, 12:36:34 PM »
  Much obliged TM...

   I have a summer and some demonstrations at museums, festivals and Fairs to get through before I commit to any surgery.
  I think I will try the doubling-up for a while..can't hurt...may help..
   The article you cited from the Stone clinic said 1500 mg is right for a person below 180#...I actually go about 200#..so I have been running a bit light even for normal dosage anyway..
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Re: Need some imput on shoulder replacement..
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2007, 03:13:36 PM »
TOYSOLDIER. I use the blue emu because I can't afford a dr and have walmart insurance. Are you saying that the glucosamine sulphate doesn't help??? I really want to try it but it's rather expensive, at least to me. If it will help, I'll get some. I can't afford a couple of months without a paycheck to recover from surgery. Advice?? POWDERMAN.  ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
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« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2007, 06:08:19 PM »
Glucosamine may very well improve the health of joint cartiledge, but when you have bone-on-bone wear, the cartiledge is GONE and nothing will bring it back. A variety of things may help with the pain, but the only way to repair it is joint replacement. The longer you wait, the less you move your shoulder, and the more "frozen" it becomes, making the surgery and full recovery of function more difficult.

Anyone who has had joint replacement surgery will need antibiotics before having further surgery or dental work. That's the only medication. The components are totally inert; chrome-cobalt alloy, stainless steel, or titanium, with high-density plastic bearing surface. Some hip joints are metal-on-metal or ceramic on metal, doing away with the plastic component. Shoulder joints aren't weight-bearing, so they just don't wear out. Total joints do set off metal detectors at airports; you might have to show them a letter from your doctor and your scar.

Shoulder joint replacement is less common than hip or knee, but is usually very successful (if performed by a competent surgeon). Recovery and rehabilitation are usually quick, although repair of soft tissue injuries like rotator cuff tear may make rehab more of a challenge.

The longer you wait, the more pain you will experience and the less use you will have of the arm. Pain will become the focus of your life, making it miserable. Get the surgery, and you may wake up with less pain than you have now. In a month, you should be having little pain and full range of motion. At two months, assuming no unrepairable soft tissue damage, you will have full use of the arm for a reasonable range of activity (no pitching baseballs or arm wrestling).

My wife had the surgery a couple of years ago, and wishes she knew about the procedure and had it done years earlier. Now, she rarely thinks about it. She's now looking forwardto getting total knee replacements.

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Re: Need some imput on shoulder replacement..
« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2007, 04:35:40 PM »
  Thanks TS..

  My problem is, I hate to give up on my blacksmithing..although I will by necessity, cut down on the heavy hand forging..

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« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2007, 05:09:11 PM »
Ironglow---It sounds like you need a power hammer or a husky apprentice :)

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Re: Need some imput on shoulder replacement..
« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2007, 04:35:45 PM »
TOYSOLDIER. I just ordered some glucosamine sulphate caps today, they are 750 mg. What dosage would you recommend??? POWDERMAN.  ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
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Re: Need some imput on shoulder replacement..
« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2007, 01:57:52 AM »
  Thanks Toysoldier, TM7 & Powderman....

     I gave the Glucosamine Sulphate a good shot..probably the same capsules Powderman tried, since I got them from Walmart.
 
  As TM7 suggested, I used the 750MG capsules in a heavy dose..2 at morning, 2 at night...

   The cartilage has improved some..but still has a long ways to go. Unfortunately I found an unpleasant side effect...

     I noticed a problem with water retention at my ankles , the elastic of the socks actually leaving a quite deep groove.
  I believe Toysoldier would call it edema (sp).
     I quit the glucosamine sulphate entirely for 3-4 days then went back to a smaller dosage of glucosamine hydrachloride...the water retention problem has reversed and is holding well.

   While the glucosamine treatment may work well for some..it looks like I will have to take Toysoldier's advice and "bite the bullet"..

   I am looking at the right shoulder to be repaired..although the left also has some, less severe problem..the right arm is the real "action arm" for this old blacksmith and I can live with the left one for what I have left.

   Thanks guys, I believe I got some sound, sage advice all around.
 
   I have to wince through this summer's demos but I will see my specialist as soon as the last demo is done..


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Re: Need some imput on shoulder replacement..
« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2007, 02:18:13 AM »
I agree with Toysoldier, and I HATE going under the knife (or laser as the case may be).

Eight years ago, I tore my RC in my right arm.  Lived with the pain for a year until I couldn't stand it.  During the exam, the doctor indicated that I had so much damage in there that even after repairing the tendon, and cleaning out the bone spurs, I could expect diminished use.

While I am able to swing an axe and canoe OK now, my ability to throw overhand is lessened.

Sadly, the doctor reported issues with both shoulders, and as luck would have it, I recently injured my left shoulder in a tragic Church handbell accident (long story).  I won't wait a year this time, just long enough to get my son married off in August.  (But I may miss archery season - and rifle season, as I shoot left handed)  :'(

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Re: Need some imput on shoulder replacement..
« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2007, 07:26:08 AM »
tragic Church handbell accident (long story).

OK, if you're gonna say stuff like this, you are gonna have to post a link to the forum where you explain it.  ;D "Tragic" and "Church Bell" aren't usually associated with each other...
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Re: Need some imput on shoulder replacement..
« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2007, 08:50:21 AM »
tragic Church handbell accident (long story).

OK, if you're gonna say stuff like this, you are gonna have to post a link to the forum where you explain it.  ;D "Tragic" and "Church Bell" aren't usually associated with each other...

here ya go...

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Re: Need some imput on shoulder replacement..
« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2007, 11:18:16 AM »
Sorry to get in this late.  I don't have any experience in the topic of discussion.  But are you a member of any blacksmith forums?  Have you tried posting your concerns there to see if any other blacksmiths had similar problems and what they did about it?  It does seem like it might be occupation related.

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« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2007, 01:02:06 PM »
  d hiker;

  It is an occupational hazard, but I have worked at heavy, hard work all my life..which probably didn't help.
 Those old injuries come back to haunt.
  One time comes to mind when back in the 70s I was building concrete stave silos on farms..you know, the kind that have steel rods around esch course to hold the thing together..
  When the silo is completely erected, then we have to go around the outside ..aligning the rods and tightening all those nuts.
  We wore a sort of safety belt and actually walked and climbed on those rods.
 
  Well, one day I was about 60' above the concrete pad, flipped my belt hook up onto the rod and leaned back..the hook had not caught !
  Everything slipped but my right hand, with which I was gripping a rod just below waist level..
     
    Now, that gave my right arm a real tug..but it beat the alternative.
  The worst tear probably occurred about 1999 when I was trying to pry a rock out with a 5' heavy pry bar..I was slamming the bar outward with my right hand when the bar completely missed the rock and swung free against my extended arm...
  Whoa !..the excruciating pain in my shoulder , put me down on my knees..

  TM7;

 As I said, I really think the GS may have been doing some rebuilding of cartilage..but I am not sure it could repair the apparently extensive damage I have..
  Still, if I hadn't run into the edema..i may still be taking the large doses for a while..














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« Reply #23 on: July 25, 2007, 03:54:42 PM »
I'm glad to hear you have some improvement. Don't delay too long. The last couple of shoulder replacement surgeries in our OR were very difficult. Couldn't get good exposure to replace the glenoid (the bone that the head of the humerus articulates with). These guys waited too long, and had very "tight" shoulders.

For shoulders that are really messed up, there are new implants that reverse the ball-and-socket arrangement of the joint, putting a ball on the glenoid and a socket in the humerus. I have no idea what the reason is for this. Just something new in the ever-changing world of surgery. :)

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« Reply #24 on: July 25, 2007, 04:13:03 PM »
I've been taking the glucosamine sulphate for just under 2 months. I've had a lot of relief taking 1500 mg a day, Didn't know how much it helped til I ran out, more ordered. Before I started taking it I couldn't even pull up the covers with my right arm, now I can. I'm far from healed, but the relief is great. I've heard that a combination capsule of glucosamine and chrondroitin works even better. Anybody tried it??? POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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