I did some testing at the range this morning with some water bottles and was very disappointed with the results, I shot 3 bottles at 150 yards with the grenades from the 222, All three had a single hole in and single hole out and were all still half full of water, I then shot 3 bottles with some 40 grn v-max loads and if you ever shot a v-max at a water bottle you know what they will do, bottom blown out, cap blown off, the whole back of the bottle split down the center from top to bottom...ect I had one bottle left and set it out 30 yards from the bench, at that close range i would expect the bullet to really open up, damage was still not much, My 17 hmr does as much damage to a bottle at 100 yards as the varmint grenade did at 30 yards, Basicly im seeing soft point performance with this bullet and will never buy them again.