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Powder types
« on: August 07, 2007, 12:01:23 AM »
With hunting season slowly coming up, its time to start getting ready.  I have noticed that there are allot of different powders on the market for inlines.  What is everyone using in what gun?

I use 80 g (volume - untapped) Pyro 'P' for a better burn in my Buckwacka, and Encore.

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Re: Powder types
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2007, 01:13:30 AM »
I am using 120 gr. of loose triple7 with a 250 gr. Bonded shockwave bullet in my Encore Pro-hunter.
In my standard Encore I am using 90 gr. of loose triple7 and 195 gr. PR duplex dead centers.
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« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2007, 04:01:09 AM »
I still use Goex FFF in my Knight Disc, unless I find Pryodex R-S on sale...

In my Knight I currently use 90 grains and a 250 Shockwave, prevuously I used 100 grains and a 300 Barnes.

PS...I did try 777, groups opened up after 80 grains and had to lap the barrel to get rid of the crud after shooting...

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« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2007, 04:37:41 AM »

PS...I did try 777, groups opened up after 80 grains and had to lap the barrel to get rid of the crud after shooting...


Lap the barrel? I think that is a little extreme don't you. I can get rid of the crud ring with Windex with vinegar and a brush with little effort. But with the 25 ACP breach plug, I don't get a crud ring anymore. Also the Remington Kleen bore 209 primers work well to elimanate the crud ring. 
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Re: Powder types
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2007, 05:28:56 AM »
Nope, not in this situation, the barrel had a tight spot left in it after a couple if sessions trying 777.
So I lapped it to smooth it out and it took care of the problem....

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« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2007, 12:42:48 PM »
"I can get rid of the crud ring with Windex with vinegar and a brush with little effort"

Windex with vinegar is the best black powder and muzzeloader cleaner out there.  Been using it for years.  Folks at the range are amazed when i wet a rag with Windex with vinegar and wipe the crud from the breech of my CVA. 

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« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2007, 02:24:34 PM »
"I can get rid of the crud ring with Windex with vinegar and a brush with little effort"

Windex with vinegar is the best black powder and muzzeloader cleaner out there.  Been using it for years.  Folks at the range are amazed when i wet a rag with Windex with vinegar and wipe the crud from the breech of my CVA. 

Yes it deed it is. I also use it in my Shiloh Sharps that I shoot PB cartridges. I have never had a problem with the crud ring using triple7 that I could not remove with the Windex with vinegar. 
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Re: Powder types
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2007, 04:35:59 AM »
My bores gets clogged faster using real black versus 777. Same goes with nipples. I can shoot alot longer without the need to clear the fire hole with a safety pin using 777.
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Re: Powder types
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2007, 10:58:14 AM »
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I agree with the windex product... but i use the old fashioned windex with ammonia - the ammonia drys fast and takes the water with it, but it sure melts the T7...

Another product I have discovered is Zep Citrus Cleaner & Degreaser - what a product for cleaning the metal on your ML.  It is concentrated product that you mix 1 to 5.

http://www.zepcommercial.com/pages/catalogpages/cleaners.html#Anchor-Citrus-3800




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Re: Powder types
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2007, 12:46:40 PM »
My Encore likes 100 grains of 2F 777 and a 250 Shockwave. The Remington Kleanbore primer works better for me than the Winchester 777 primers. The Winchesters have a lot of blowback. The Kleanbores take care of most of the crud ring. What little ring I do get plain old rubbing alcohol gets rid of.
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« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2007, 03:24:34 AM »
220 grain dead center over 80 grains of 777 in my Knight Wolverine with #11 cap.  Great performance and accuracy with minimal recoil.

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Re: Powder types
« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2007, 05:33:07 AM »
alsaqr

I agree with the windex product... but i use the old fashioned windex with ammonia - the ammonia drys fast and takes the water with it, but it sure melts the T7...

Another product I have discovered is Zep Citrus Cleaner & Degreaser - what a product for cleaning the metal on your ML.  It is concentrated product that you mix 1 to 5.

http://www.zepcommercial.com/pages/catalogpages/cleaners.html#Anchor-Citrus-3800






Be careful with the ammonia, it can oxidize (start rusting) pretty quickly.   Just get it all out and lube and you'll be fine.   I personally like the Windex w/vinegar or Isopropyl alcohol.  It dries really fast and cleans up really fast and it's inexpensive.

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« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2007, 07:25:44 AM »
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In the concentration that it is in - in WINDEX - that is a wives tail... Remember it is a barrel wipe and a bore cleaner not a lubricant... When i get back to home base I'll post an article, if i can find it, that disputes what you are indicating - unless you are using near straight ammonia... but then again I guess i do that with 'Butches Bore Shine" every so often also.

Ah Ha! - just found it on line.

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  On the road, a bottle of any of the commercial black powder cleaners is handy. That, a handful of patches, your jag, and a small "to go" bottle of Breakfree is all you need. Windex (yes, with ammonia) is a very good bore cleaner.

Dan Lilja of Lilja Precision Rifle barrels has never seen any damage in one of his barrels caused by the use of ammonia. Dan writes: "The rumor is that copper-removing cleaners with ammonia will pit and damage the interior surface of a barrel. Ammonia is very effective as a copper remover.  We use solvents, such as Butch's Bore Shine, to remove copper during the break-in.  We routinely leave Butch's solution in the barrel over night too.  Again, I repeat, we have never seen a problem with ammonia in the concentrations found in commercial cleaners, in either our chrome-moly or stainless steel barrels.  This includes examination with our borescope." Black powder enthusiasts have universally praised Dan's personal favorite barrel cleaning solvent, "Butch's Bore Shine."     

I followed up this article with an e-mail to Dan about this - he can not understand where this whole thing came from.  The ammoina serves as a solvent to foreign materails in the barrel including powder residue, plastic, minor lead deposits as well as it dissolves and removes residual oils from the bore.  You are left with a clean bore + a dry bore as the ammonia evaporates so rapidly + carries water with it as it evaporates.

Again pure ammonia left in liquid form in a barrel for days or weeks - that is a different story....


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Re: Powder types
« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2007, 07:35:56 AM »
Here's Lilja's FAQs on ammonia.

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Q. What does Lilja Rifle Barrels think of the use of bore solvents with ammonia?
A.  While we're aware of "bad press" associated with the use of cleaners with ammonia as part of the solution, we have never seen any damage in one of our barrels caused by the use of ammonia.  The rumor is that copper-removing cleaners with ammonia will pit and damage the interior surface of a barrel.  Ammonia is very effective as a copper remover.  We use solvents, such as Butch's Bore Shine, to remove copper during the break-in.  We routinely leave Butch's solution in the barrel over night too.  Again, I repeat, we have never seen a problem with ammonia in the concentrations found in commercial cleaners, in either our chrome-moly or stainless steel barrels.  This includes examination with our borescope.

http://www.riflebarrels.com/faq_lilja_rifle_barrels.htm#Ammonia

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Re: Powder types
« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2007, 05:24:57 PM »
I use 5744 and the wife will be using 4198 this year.

For some reason we don't have that crud ring or blow back problem you all are referring to. :)

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Re: Powder types
« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2007, 02:09:55 PM »
This will be my second year of using the Goex Pinnacle powder. Last year I was frustrated with my old eyes and blurry sights so I hunted with an iolder CVA Magbolt with a scope and the Pinnacleworked just fine. I shot 15 sabots at the range and they all loaded easily

My hunting buddy had the Lyman peep sight he had bought for his Lyman Trade Rifle and we mounted it to my Cabela's .50 Hawken. That peep sight helps out a bunch. We shot it last week and again today. probably 40 RBs and twenty of the Ball-ets set off with musket caps.

Everything worked fine, loading was easy and it went boom every time. My younger friend was able to shoot several 3 shot nearly touching groups from our makeshift rest. I couldn't do as well but could still keep them in  about a 3" group from the rest which will let me deer hunt with the Hawken again.

I got home and swabbed the barrel with a couple of Windex wet patches and then lubed everything up. Clean up is really easy with the Pinnacle and I do wipe with a spit patch between shots to maintain some consistency but the last ball loads as easily as the first.

I sent a NEF shotgun receiver off to H&R to get the .50 cal barrel fitted but I don't know if I will get it in time to use this October ML season. I will probably scope it and also try the Pinnacle with it and experiment with some different bullets.
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Re: Powder types
« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2007, 11:59:13 PM »
I use 5744 and the wife will be using 4198 this year.

For some reason we don't have that crud ring or blow back problem you all are referring to. :)

I'll be using 43g of 4759 in my ML ll this year myself.  With a 250g SST I get 2250 fps.  Easy cleaning and a flat trajectory, what else can you ask for?


I will have to try the windex thing on my other guns though...

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