I and My son going over to barry county state game area 9/15 to start the hunting season I have been doing this with My Dad since I was 3yrs. old .( after work Sat. I ready ) Sunday moring I be there before day light , 5 by 10 am or sooner( look for deer sign ) for Nov. I take My vaction for all deer season , never put in for Doe perment , I get a buck every other year if I do My work and have the time .............Let me now if you want to go My Dad has had many heart atteck this summer and can`t go need new hunting partner to go with and share this with.............Later John