Author Topic: The JUDGE .410 (Read 5130 times)

Dogmann · « **on:** June 01, 2007, 07:43:32 PM »

Will the Judge handle 3inch shellls?

Brian-M · « **Reply #1 on:** June 05, 2007, 01:57:52 PM »

Current model will handle 2.5" only. Their new model 4510TKR will handle 3" shells. Delivery has moved out to Fall from Summer.

NavyLT · « **Reply #2 on:** June 08, 2007, 09:14:26 AM »

Yep! Goin' to have to trade mine in when the new one comes out!

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #3 on:** June 08, 2007, 10:48:17 AM »

how do the shoot buck shot ?

mibighntr · « **Reply #4 on:** June 13, 2007, 10:24:23 AM »

Just picked up on o these with the 2.5" cylinder and the 3" barrel. Tried it out at 7-yards, 10-yards, and 25-yards with various .410 factory shot loads. I was hoping that I may be able to use this as a "home" gun and for hunting rabbits here in MI. I shot # 4 shot Remington Express Long Range, # 9 Winchester AA skeet loads, and 000 Buck loaded with three-pellets to a shell by Winchester. The # 9 obviously had the best patterns at 7 and 10 yards for density, and the # 4's were very hit and miss for patterns at those ranges as well. At 25 yards, forget it all together. The 000 Buck appears to be an AWESOME home defense load at close range. I emptied the cylinder double action at 7-yards and the result was 15 holes in the target equally spaced in about a 12" circle. The same exercise at 10-yards yielded similar results but with about a third less holes. Again, at 25-yards, forget about it!

So, in closing, not quite what I had hoped for for bunny hunting, but what I think would be an EXCELLENT house or vehicle gun! Not to mention just an all around "fun" gun!

I can't help but think, though, I wonder if I could get a smith to install one of the shot-arrestor type choke tubes that TC put in their .45/.410 Encore and Contender barrels?? I would not hesitate to shoot at a bunny out to 30+ yards with one of the TC barrels!!!

Mark

Dogmann · « **Reply #5 on:** June 13, 2007, 04:53:14 PM »

I can't wait for the 3inch model!!!

M T York O'Rourke · « **Reply #6 on:** June 14, 2007, 11:50:01 AM »

???I have a new Judge 3"barrel. I like the 21/2 inch shot shell. #6 cover a 12 inch target nicely at 10yds. And at closer range it is even denser.
Shooting the 45 colt at 25yds kept all five in the 12" target. I want to see what the Russan 21/2 inch steel case with 5 #4 buck will do.
I also have some ideas on loading a 45 bullet down longer 45 brass case. same load as a normal 45 colt but using the longer case to reduce the chamber diameter so there is not such a long free boar. anyone know where I can get 21/2 inch 45 Colt brass?? I will try using the new 460 S&W brass they are 1.8 inches long. Using a light 45 load with the bullet set down on the powder may improve accuracy.

rickweed · « **Reply #7 on:** June 18, 2007, 01:21:36 PM »

Quote from: Brian-M on June 05, 2007, 01:57:52 PM

Current model will handle 2.5" only. Their new model 4510TKR will handle 3" shells. Delivery has moved out to Fall from Summer.

Can anyone tell me more about this new model, 4510TKR? Where can I get more info on it?

Brian-M · « **Reply #8 on:** June 19, 2007, 12:05:39 PM »

Check out this link to Taurus whats new
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http://www.taurususa.com/whatsnew/index.cfm

rickweed · « **Reply #9 on:** June 20, 2007, 12:45:53 PM »

Thanks Brian, its coming!

rickweed · « **Reply #10 on:** July 04, 2007, 09:22:38 AM »

I talked to Taurus about the 3 inch chamber for the 4510TKR. They told me the new 3 inch chamber will be available in the 3" blue, the 3" stainless, the 6" blue and the 6" stainless. They expect them to be out sometime this fall as they are doing tests on them now.

shaner · « **Reply #11 on:** September 14, 2007, 01:40:58 AM »

iam wondering how the accuracy goin from a 2.5 chamber to a 3in will affect the 45colt ? thats a long jump to the barrel for them?

onehandgun · « **Reply #12 on:** October 23, 2007, 02:15:07 AM »

I thought that putting a choke in the Judge would solve a lot of problems. The Thompson Contender has a choke but no fast second shot; the Magnum Research "BFR" has a choke and a fast second shot but you need a gun-bearer to carry the heavy thing around. Choking the Judge was not easy. Most local gunsmiths wouldn't touch it because the barrel is not round and could not be put in a lathe. Special tooling is required. Anyway, I prevailed on a large-scale gunsmithing operation to tool up (they will soon be advertising the service) and IT TURNED OUT GREAT!! Change the name from the "Judge" to the "GROUSEGETTER". The choked 6 1/2" barrel knocks 'em dead. I am currently having a second one, with a 4" barrel, machined as you read this just as an experiment to see if there is a significant drop in performance.

PHATINJUN · « **Reply #13 on:** November 11, 2007, 10:03:54 AM »

not sure on your cylinder but you may consider 444marlin brass fire formed in a 410 barrel or even cut down some 410 brass cases that midway has. Kurt
The magtek 410 brass is 2.342
The marlin 444 is 2.226

rex6666 · « **Reply #14 on:** November 14, 2007, 04:28:13 AM »

this Judge looks like it would be an awesome house or car gun, especially with the 3"
410s.
some where i had gotten it in my head these shotgun/pistol was illegal, thought shotgun had to have 18" barrel.
I live in Texas so maybe that would make a dif.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #15 on:** November 14, 2007, 06:20:53 AM »

Sorry guys I just can't see the hype , have a 45/410 derringer and if i used it for self defense it would be loaded with 45 Colt rounds !
snakes the 410 , other stuff can't think of any place to shoot someone or something where a 250 gr slug wouldn't do better than a few buckshot moving slower than the 45 .
as a fun gun skeet etc sounds good maybe .

shaner · « **Reply #16 on:** December 03, 2007, 12:33:50 PM »

so guys that own the judge

how they holdin up are you shooting much ? do you like the 3in'er better

DenLee · « **Reply #17 on:** December 21, 2007, 03:31:22 PM »

Quote from: shaner on December 03, 2007, 12:33:50 PM

so guys that own the judge how they holdin up are you shooting much ? do you like the 3in'er better

Got my long barrel before all the hype. Traded it before all the hype.
Good for shooting snakes or getting rid or rodents if you live in the country.

momsworry · « **Reply #18 on:** December 30, 2007, 05:50:25 PM »

So, is the 3" model out now? When it was mentioned "fall", is that fall of 2007 or fall of 2008?

mibighntr · « **Reply #19 on:** January 02, 2008, 05:11:48 AM »

Quote from: onehandgun on October 23, 2007, 02:15:07 AM

I thought that putting a choke in the Judge would solve a lot of problems. The Thompson Contender has a choke but no fast second shot; the Magnum Research "BFR" has a choke and a fast second shot but you need a gun-bearer to carry the heavy thing around. Choking the Judge was not easy. Most local gunsmiths wouldn't touch it because the barrel is not round and could not be put in a lathe. Special tooling is required. Anyway, I prevailed on a large-scale gunsmithing operation to tool up (they will soon be advertising the service) and IT TURNED OUT GREAT!! Change the name from the "Judge" to the "GROUSEGETTER". The choked 6 1/2" barrel knocks 'em dead. I am currently having a second one, with a 4" barrel, machined as you read this just as an experiment to see if there is a significant drop in performance.

Would like some more info on this service and/or company who did it??

Thank you!

Mark

navylawdog · « **Reply #20 on:** January 03, 2008, 05:12:02 AM »

I was just wondering if it would be possible to download some .454 casull rounds to fire in the 3" chambered model so there isn't so much of a jump for the bullet to get to the rifling? Or would the slight difference in bullet size run the pressures up too much even with tamed reloads?

navylawdog

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #21 on:** January 03, 2008, 06:51:44 AM »

Bullet size would be the same size as 45 Colt .

navylawdog · « **Reply #22 on:** January 03, 2008, 05:51:52 PM »

okay thanks... I know the bullets I use to reload my .45 colt is .4515 but I have never reloaded my .454 yet so I wasn't sure if the bullet size was the same or not. I thought the .45 colt might be a couple of hundredths or a millimeter smaller.

Navylawdog

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #23 on:** January 07, 2008, 08:44:34 AM »

well the older guns anything is possible but new ones should be same , BUT !
I'll bet there are some at either end of the acceptable range .

GatCat · « **Reply #24 on:** January 09, 2008, 07:59:32 PM »

Rex6666, you asked about the legality of these. AS LONG AS the barrel is rifled, it is NOT considered a shotgun, even though it can accommodate shotgun shells. It would be the same as shooting the Speer shot shells in .22, .38, .44 and so on. I kinda wish that Taurus would put a super slow rate of rifling in them, something like 1 turn in 10 feet, or so, simply for better shotshell performance. I know it would not stabilize .45 Colt rounds, but it would sure make the shotshells work better.
Mark

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #25 on:** January 11, 2008, 06:25:27 AM »

if it were such a great idea , we would have had them for years !