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Offline gator64

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FFF in a 50 cal?
« on: September 07, 2007, 11:19:22 AM »
I have a .50 TC Hawkin, .50 CVA Hawkin pistol, a .32 CVA Varmint and a .45 Patriot and a lot of FFF.  How about using it (FFF) in the 50 rifle and pistol?  Pro's and cons welcomed.  BTW - my favorite of the bunch is the .32.

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Re: FFF in a 50 cal?
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2007, 11:30:55 AM »
FFFg is fine for a .50   Im using 100 grains FFFg Goex in my .54 flintlock as of now. Come to think of it, i used 110 grains fffg in my .50 flintlock also.

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Re: FFF in a 50 cal?
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2007, 12:23:33 PM »
fffg is all I use in my .50 and .58 with PRB's. I get tighter groups than I did with ffg.
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Re: FFF in a 50 cal?
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2007, 05:16:07 PM »
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Re: FFF in a 50 cal?
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2007, 06:04:30 PM »
FFFg will give similar velocities and pressures with about 10% less powder than FFg
Bold talk from a one eyed fat man.

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Re: FFF in a 50 cal?
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2007, 03:19:04 AM »
FFFg will give similar velocities and pressures with about 10% less powder than FFg

 i think slimfire got that turn by accident , 3f produces higher pressure the 2F for the same load

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Re: FFF in a 50 cal?
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2007, 09:43:43 AM »
His statement reads right to me...he mentioned using about a 10% reduction of the 3F...
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Re: FFF in a 50 cal?
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2007, 11:35:05 AM »
ahhh yes guess i read it wrong this morning . i read it as he was saying 3F produced 10% less pressure then 2F , sorry

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Re: FFF in a 50 cal?
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2007, 04:43:36 PM »
ahhh yes guess i read it wrong this morning . i read it as he was saying 3F produced 10% less pressure then 2F , sorry
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Re: FFF in a 50 cal?
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2007, 03:07:28 AM »
ahhh yes guess i read it wrong this morning . i read it as he was saying 3F produced 10% less pressure then 2F , sorry
Bless you son, for you have sinned. Turnin' on the 'puter BEFORE finishin' the second cup of cawfee. For penance you can send me your wifes Bobcat stock in the mornin'.  ;D

OHHH ya  i think i  better have another cup before i consider such a thing .
 you sure you  would rather me send you the CVA SXS Im converting  flintlock  and re stocking ?
 ohhh wait thats mine mmmmm maybe i better get another cup of coffee quick  lol

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Re: FFF in a 50 cal?
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2007, 08:55:26 AM »
" How about using it (FFF) in the 50 rifle and pistol?"

Won't hurt nuthin.
Work up a load like you did with 2F and you might find that it shoots better.
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Re: FFF in a 50 cal?
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2007, 04:09:30 AM »
Normally moderate loads of 3fg are fine.  BUT, and that can be a really big BUT,  A few years ago, there were a couple hundred target barrels made that were really light weight with very thin barrel wall thickness.  Some 50 cal barrels were made in 7/8 inch across the flats and a few in in 13/16 inch across the flats.  These were for offhand shooters who would be shooting with really light loads of 2fg.     Some of these barrels were used to make regular looking long rifles and half stock hawken style guns.       Any heavy load of 3fg in such barrels will necessitate plastic surgery.     




As a general rule, most production guns are safe to withstand moderate loads of 3fg, however, there are some really unsafe exceptions out there.  Also, this is only so long as you are shooting patched round balls.  Shooting a conical or minnie ball completely changes the pressures the gun is subjected to. 


When I got my TC Hawken in 50 cal with 15/16 inch barrel, many years ago, Chuck Dixon of Dixon's Muzzleloader shop told my that in my TC, up to 80 grains of 3fg would be fine with a patched round ball.   While I am sure that a small amount extra won't low up that gun, there are alot of poor quality imports still floating around out there.    One of my rifles in the early days was a Markham Arms 45 cal Hawken, with a very thin barrel.  Made in Bulgaria or some weird place.  The lock wore out within 200 shots and it did say in the Manual not to exceed 45 grains of 3fg powder.  Got about the $60.00 I paid for it along with an education.    There were some even worse quality 69 cal smoothbore flintlocks sold in stores around Philadelphia in 1978.  Those things were terrible and several blew up.  I worked at a Sporting goods store and we were told by the distributor to "break/cut them in half and throw them in the dumpster."   I know some of them were never returned to the store and are still out there somewhere.       

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Re: FFF in a 50 cal?
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2007, 12:03:43 PM »
While I was having my truck tires rotated and balanced this morning I happen to pick up this months American Rifleman.  There's a pretty good article in there comparing velocity and pressure of black powder and bp subs.  I thought it was going to be about flintlocks but it wasn't.  That being said it did have some good comparisons.  I was sort of surprised at some of the pressure reading.  Hope to get a chance to read the whole article tonight.
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Re: FFF in a 50 cal?
« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2007, 02:39:52 AM »
Ironwood,   I read that article too,  and a couple of things I already knew but never had actually seen actual proof of was:   first of all,   the difference between Swiss and Goex,   that Swiss is some hot stuff!    second thing that really jumped off the pages was the folly of shooting 150gr of any powder  in a muzzleloader.  I guess if a man just loves recoil its worth it.    ;)