My son went with me to SC on monday and tuesday. On monday, I got a crack at a nice 8 pt. I was using the 35 Whelen, bang-flop. He was about 50 yds out, quartering away. Hit him just on the last rib, angling out toward the off shoulder. Meat damage was nil, internal damage was most impressive. On tuesday, I shot a nice doe, thru and thru, behind the shoulder. I was using the 7.62X39 on that one. About 5 minutes after I shot, my son was playing peek-a-boo with a doe around a tree. He shot her between the eyes with a 45-70. All in all, it was a very nice hunting trip, and I finally got to spend some time with my kid. He's 27, works too much, and has a 3 yr old with many medical problems. It was a great get away for him too.