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Bear Sprays/Repellants
« on: July 09, 2007, 03:57:55 AM »
Hi.  I was looking for some information on the pepper sprays for bear.  Do I need one of those $40.00 or $50.00 bear sprays or will ordinary pepper spray work?  We camp in black bear country during the summer and though I've yet to see one, I always get a little nervous when I'm awakened at night by something outside my tent.  I don't carry a gun during the camping season.  Thanks.

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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2007, 11:55:58 AM »
I'd be nervous without my gun too.....

Pepper spray = Cajun food for bears!
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Re: Bear Sprays/Repellants
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2007, 04:13:16 PM »
The difference between the bear sprays and regular OC spray is not in the formulation but in the delivery method.  The bear sprays that I have used have a much higher pressure stream that is tighter than regular OC spray.  The advantage to this is that it gives you 20 to 30 feet of range as opposed to 8 or 10.  Plus with the higher pressure tighter stream wind is less of a factor.  I have used the bear spray to haze problem black bears and it is fairly annoying to them, I have never sprayed a charging black bear with it so I don't know how it would work for that and I have never even seen a grizzly in the wild so no opinion there.  Everytime that I have used bear spray or seen it used, it was backed up with someone with a firearm just in case but the firearm was never needed but once again these are nuisance bears not charging bears which is a whole different game.  If charged by a bear you are probably going to only have time for one option either spray or firearm unless of course there are more than one of you present so with me, that influences my choice toward a firearm but if it is not instantly available it is useless. A bazooka in the pack is of no benefit so if you can't carry it in a manner where you can get to it right now, go with the spray at least you can deploy it and if that doesn't stop the attack maybe it will buy you time for plan b.  Plus bear spray will work as well or better on humans as regular OC and I am more concerned with humans than I am bears anyway.

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« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2007, 05:42:58 AM »
I would have to hear a LOT of stories about bears being stopped with spray before I even though about using them.

A buddy of mine had some and had to use it on a dog one time.  The dog didn't come any closer, but he didn't react like the spray did it's real job, the get the dog out of there fast.  He said it still seemed cognizant, and even though wasn't attacking, was still focused and still had the ABILITY to attack, which you are trying to take away.

I've heared of bears, quite a few, being stopping with .44 mags and .454 casulls. 

He even had the expensive bear one which shot over 30 feet, and I never did see him carry it ever again. 

Maybe someone has some different results of turning bears away fast... but I haven't heard them.  Any of those bear spray companies getting close enough to do "field testing?"  I sure as hell don't think so. 

Hunting is field testing of my bear repellant, and 320 grains of .430 does just fine.
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« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2007, 06:13:35 AM »
I have rolled a couple of aggressive pit bulls with pepper spray.  It did the job and there were no bullets putting children at risk when serving an arrest warrant.  I always wondered if somebody tried to hug the dogs with that spray on them?

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Re: Bear Sprays/Repellants
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2007, 04:22:11 AM »
I did some reading before going to the west this summer.  Spray does work about 95% of the time.  Our plan was to try spray then shoot.  We did have a grizzly walk by our tent while camped along Hegben Lake in Montana.  I grabbed my 44, one son grabbed teh 45/70, the other the spray.  Our planning worked to avoid panic.  Fortunately no action was needed. 

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« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2007, 04:39:59 AM »
If a bear is charging you will not have time to spray and then shoot if it does not work.  He will be on you way before you get a chance to draw any firearm.
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« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2007, 12:50:17 PM »
Grizzly Droppings contain little bells and smell of hot pepper.   ;D
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« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2007, 03:20:06 PM »
If a bear is charging you will not have time to spray and then shoot if it does not work.  He will be on you way before you get a chance to draw any firearm.

with a group one could use spray another fire the gun.  such was our plan.

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« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2007, 04:11:00 PM »
I would say give half the group 12 gauges with 000 buck, that makes a good spray, and the other half .44 mags. 
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« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2008, 03:29:48 PM »
I have a large can of UDPA pepper power bear spray , it seemed to be one of the better ones , never used it , have no faith in it for that reason , so I will have that in one hand and a fistful 44cal 300gr castcores in the other

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« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2008, 04:56:09 PM »
Hi.  I was looking for some information on the pepper sprays for bear.  Do I need one of those $40.00 or $50.00 bear sprays or will ordinary pepper spray work?  We camp in black bear country during the summer and though I've yet to see one, I always get a little nervous when I'm awakened at night by something outside my tent.  I don't carry a gun during the camping season.  Thanks.

If you own a bear-caliber gun, or are willing to pack a stubby shotgun, then by all means do so legally.

But a beater Mossberg 12ga shorty is 5lbs and $150 at a pawn shop.

A bear-caliber revolver 3 1/2 lbs, and will set you back $400. And not trivial to learn to shoot fast.

A Marlin Guide Gun in 45-70 or 450 is 7lbs and $450 used.

A can of UDAP is $39 and weighs 11oz.

Now which do you think you would actually have with you at all times?

If you want an excuse to buy another firearm - go for it. But if you need to be practical, then the Bear spray is a good deal.

The stuff works.

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Re: Bear Sprays/Repellants
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2008, 05:30:33 PM »
Pepper spray used to be called "bear repellent" when it first came out. City people thought it was used just like insect repellent.

True. They really did. Several fun stories around about that.

There's tales of Kodiak Browns being attracted to places that pepper spray had been used, they roll in the spot.

But, if a bear is too close for pepper spray, you probably would not get a chance to use a gun, anyhow.

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Re: Bear Sprays/Repellants
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2008, 06:20:39 PM »
my bear spray is a CZ 52 in 762x25 due to the super penetration of the round It will give you a thru and thru on all but the biggest bears.
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« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2008, 09:35:05 PM »
Torpedoman - you obviously have no experience with bears of any sort.  A 7.62 tokarev will just piss off a bear that is charging you. 

DO NOT think your cz-52 offers you any protection from bears, because it doesn't.  I don't see where you think that a 100 grain bullet at 1200fps penetrates anything?  You are talking 9mm there. 

DO NOT use that gun for bear protection.  You will end up dead, and with a wounded bear. 
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« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2008, 06:26:10 AM »
If you fly to your destination I'm pretty sure you can't fly with bear spray.  So when you arrive at your destination you can buy it if you can find it and have time to stop in a sporting goods store before flying out to the bush.  Alaska has ways of changing the best laid plans and if you arrive at the hanger and your pilot says "there is a break in the weather we better leave now" you should probably listen to him and skip the trip into town to pick up last minute things like bear spray. 

I don't trust my life with things that work most of the time.  I know if I do my part with a gun I can stop a charging bear.  Still there is no way in hell I'd want to have to do it with a 30 Mauser.  Leave the pop gun at home and bring a cannon along, in a pistol that means something beginning with a 4 that can hold a lot of powder.

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« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2008, 06:16:22 AM »
 Kinda OT, but has anyone ever used pepper spray on a rattle snake? Does it phase them at all?
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« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2008, 11:47:08 AM »
It seems like it would throw them off, because they do go off of mostly smell, and a little sight... 

The reason that I wouldn't is that as far as I know, snakes will strike at anything that comes at them.  Meaning if you are close enough to feel in danger, and you spray them, that would automatically make them strike towards the source of the spray. 
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Re: Bear Sprays/Repellants
« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2008, 04:19:51 PM »
RIM ,there IS a difference in pepper sprays. those intended for humans are the mildest. regular animal pepper spray is hotter. bear spray is the hottest. I forget how they are rated but you want the hottest. IT is the contact of oleo capsicum with mucous membranes that causes instant watering and swelling that is incapacitating. NOT the smell. Spraying pepper spray on your clothing or equipment will not repel bears. 
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« Reply #19 on: May 24, 2008, 05:10:40 AM »
Some friends live in a neighborhood that is pretty developed and they don't feel like using a gun is a viable option. They would like to go walking in the neighborhood after the husband gets home from work, which is usually after dark.   A bear is coming into the neighborhood at night and is pulling up  slotted drain pipe that carries rainwater away from the houses.  Apparently grubs congregate around the pipe.  One man has had his lawn torn up six times.  When I last went to Raleigh, NC, I stopped in a very well-stocked gunshop, Davi's, and checked on what kind of spray they had.  The most potent thing was something that the NYPD used.  However, it was only about 2% pepper spray, and had a lot of CS in it.  I recall that CS is not effective on dogs, as it requires tears to dissolve, and dogs do not produce tears.  I asked the salesman if bears cry.  You should have seen his face.  It must have been the first time that day that he had to deal with that question.  I used to work in Lynchburg, Virginia, and Petrey's Hardware carried bear spray, as it was not unusual for bears to come through town.  There were fifteen percent and twenty percent canisters of pepper spray and they were not the size of young fire extinguishers.  I would like to find my friends something similar, but have not been back to Lynchburg for several years.

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Re: Bear Sprays/Repellants
« Reply #20 on: May 24, 2008, 09:30:12 AM »
OT, bear spray is available on line.
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Re: Bear Sprays/Repellants
« Reply #21 on: May 28, 2008, 06:43:32 PM »
Folks, read the side of the canister. Bear spray is 2%. Human spray is anywhere from 15% and up.

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« Reply #22 on: May 29, 2008, 03:01:12 AM »
Just eat some sauerkraut a and a pickled egg. The gas to follow will drive anything away. ;D

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« Reply #23 on: May 29, 2008, 06:13:43 PM »
 it isn't the % it is the Scoville Heat Units. you can have 2%OC and have 5 million SHU. check several pepper spray sites.  google 'bear pepper spray' and READ
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« Reply #24 on: May 29, 2008, 06:35:30 PM »
it isn't the % it is the Scoville Heat Units. you can have 2%OC and have 5 million SHU. check several pepper spray sites.  google 'bear pepper spray' and READ

Nope. It is the percentage of OC.

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« Reply #25 on: May 29, 2008, 07:12:56 PM »
ok, if it makes you happy. the makers of pepper sprays seem to think it is the SHU but I am sure you know better.
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« Reply #26 on: May 29, 2008, 10:33:18 PM »
Scoville units is based on ppm of capsaicin in peppers.  So it doesn't matter what the scoville unit of the pepper in the spray is, it matters the concentratioin of pepper in the spray, which hopefully has a high scoville rating. 
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« Reply #27 on: May 30, 2008, 03:07:17 AM »
Thanks to all for the input.  I read some of the materials online and found out some really interesting facts.  You are more likely to be injured if using a gun rather than pepper spray.  Black bears are more likely to attack to make a meal of you than grizzlies.  And most people spend their time looking at their feet in the great outdoors.   Despite this, I am still going to rely on my .45 rather than a can of spray when I go walking in the evening.  I will keep my eyes off my toes, though.  As for my friends in the suburbs, I have told them about the bear spray, so they can decide if they want to go that route.