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Offline Freezer

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Where to start?
« on: March 01, 2008, 06:49:47 AM »
    I've lived in a  city too long now and can't wait to get out of here.  That said I have taught my children the love of the outdoors and the shooting sports.  I started them on Daisys (they were too long so I made them new stocks) then Crossman and eventually Crossman  American Clasic air pistols.  The kids have grown and though I'm still stuck in a city I have a large yard with some privacy.  I feel I can never pratice too much (I love to hunt) and I'm considering an air rifle in the $200 range.  What would you buy?  What kind of accuracy and range should I expect. The kids and I always shot cans I'll be shooting paper.   
           :-[ I know, I've opened a can of worms but it will sure be fun to watch them wiggle ;D

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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2008, 05:53:51 PM »
Guys:

Any ideas for air gun colleague and backyard paper puncher?

Thanks!!!  ...Chris
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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2008, 10:00:40 AM »
What kind of power source?
CO2?
Multi-Pump?
Springer?

Don't need a lot of power to knock cans around or punch paper. Anything rated at 1000fps would be overkill.

Crosman 2250 .22 caliber CO2 carbine
Crosman 2260 .22 CO2 rifle
Crosman 1377 .177 multi-pump pistol converted to a carbine
Daisy 953 .177 single stroke pneumatic


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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2008, 11:32:59 AM »
    Well....What are the advantages/disadvantages of each action.  I'll scope it because my hunting rifles all have scopes.  I want to both bench and shoot free hand (I need allot more of that).  I may take it for squirrel but that would be the largest game. I've only handled three different air guns.  Daisy Red Rider, Crossman multi pump and an American Classic multi pump single shot air pistol. 
    I read a post about someone's dissatisfaction with "Springers" accuracy and others are getting trigger jobs ::)  I love a good trigger I've had the triggers my firearms touched up. 
   I've shot .177 pellets is there an advantage to .22?

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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2008, 02:30:08 PM »
CO2 is the easiest to use, no pumping, no cocking a big spring, just pull back the bolt, load, and shoot. And no recoil. But you have to buy the CO2 and it doesn't work too well at cooler temps. Crosman CO2 guns are popular especially with folks that like to customize their guns. They are easy to work on and can be quite accurate. I have a couple CO2 BB pistols that are fun for can destroying.

Springers are the next easiest to use, but depending on the gun can be rather difficult to cock and shoot. And they can bite you too if you're not careful. Something in the 500 to 800 fps second range is good place to start. Springers have a weird backward recoil plus a normal rearward recoil that makes them more difficult to shoot accurately and it also is mean on scopes and mounts. Some folks that jump right in with a 1000fps or greater gun and have never shot a springer get fed up pretty quick, especially if they have a lot experience with firearms. Learning the proper methods of shooting a springer is easier, at least for me, with less than 1000fps. The springers I have would be considered junk by a lot of airgunners. Cheap Chinese guns that cost less that $50 each that you have to tweak and modify to get them to shoot right. But I like to do that kind of stuff. A lot of folks don't. A lot of folks prefer that their springers are made in Germany. I have a really sweet shooting old Russian break barrel I picked up for cheap at a gun show.

Single pump guns are pneumatics, but as the name says only take one pump. Also no recoil. The Daisy 953 is a single pump. I'd like to get one myself some day. I have read they are a bit hard for little ones to pump, but they are almost a 10 meter competition gun in accuracy.

Then there are the multi-pump pneumatics. These guns generally have low to no recoil. That Crosman American Classic pistol you mentioned is now known as a 1377. It is one of the easiest guns to modify. You can order a shoulder stock from Crosman to convert it to a carbine. They also have a steel receiver kit that is grooved for scope mounts. The Remington Airmaster 77 has a loyal following too. The sweetest shooting non-modified multi-pump I have is an old Crosman 66 Powermaster I found at a thrift store. Dime-sized groups at 20 yards. Then there is the Benjamin-Sheridan line of pumpers from Crosman. Classic good looks and all metal and wood.

If all you are shooting is paper and cans, .177 is fine. If you want to hunt .22 is better. I don't hunt, but still have a couple of .22's. A Crosman 1377 pistol that has been re-barreled and a Crosman 2200 pumper (no longer made). The heavier pellets make a satisfying thunk when they hit! .22 pellets are generally more expensive and harder to find locally than .177.

Most any of the guns under $200 will need some kind of trigger work. Some respond well to a little polishing, some almost require aftermarket parts to work well. The Gamo triggers are notorious for this. Most of Crosman's springers are Chinese made copies of Gamos, right down to their triggers.

Hope this helps.

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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2008, 04:10:32 AM »
Beeman R-7, hands down the most fun gun I own (and I have a safe full). It will run you $300 but will last your lifetime and probably someone elses. Fun, easy to shoot, great trigger, accurate - not extremely powerful but shoots the same 630fps as my Benjamin 392 with Crosman Premiers.

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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2008, 08:14:34 AM »
    Thanks guys this is what I needed to hear!  A springer is out of the question, I'm practicing to be a better off hand rifle shot and don't want to change my hold during pratice.  Also the rifle will be scoped to mimic my hunting rifles.  No kids will be handling MY air rifle!  I may "MAY" let my boys try it (22 & 25) if they ask nice ;D  But for the most part it's just for my self-improvemet.
    Are the .22 pellets inherently more accurate than the .177?  Availability isn't a problem I'm a firm believer in keeping an adequate supply of ammo on hand for my weapons and their intended use.
    You mention trigger jobs, is this something a tinker-er can do or do I need a gunsmith.  I know and appriciate a god triggers.  All my rifles and pistols had trigger adjustment done, even my Savage 99.
    Is there a definitive book on air rifles and pistols?  The more I think about it the more I realize I could use pistol pratice too since I hunt with both. ::)

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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2008, 11:24:05 AM »
Too bad you so quickly ruled out a springer. I shoot mine off hand all the time and in my opinion a springer like the R-7 is very easy to shoot accurately. I'd rather spend my time shooting than pumping or messing with CO2 cylinders etc. - Luckily there are many great choices in airguns.

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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2008, 03:57:26 PM »
At 20 to 30 yards either caliber is fine. At longer distance the .177 will have a flatter trajectory though.
Trigger jobs, depending on which gun, may be simple or not. The triggers on the Crosman 1377 and 2250 etc are very easy to slick up.

You might check out a few other forums for more info.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/

http://www.network54.com/Forum/275684/

I'd like to try a Beeman R7 someday myself. But they're too rich for me at this point in time. Maybe a good used one will pop up someday. :)
What about the Beeman SS650? It looks like it might be a nice gun.


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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2008, 07:16:31 AM »
   Oh God help me!  Here I go again!  Another addiction!  Isn't life great ;D

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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2008, 08:14:14 AM »
Hey Freezer. Check out this web site. www.kermitairgunclub.com you will find lots of good stuff on airgunning there. Sure is alot of guns to choose from, might get a little confusing. From what your lookin for I'm not so sure a spring piston gun will do. The ones I have are difficult at best to hold steady for off hand shooting crosswires wander everywere except into center of target, and springers take a long time to break in. Here's a few guns to consider - Crosman 21B- Benjamin 392 or 397 or Sheridan blue streak cb9. These are pumpers, you can regulate velocity by number of pumps. The Daisy 22 SG comes with a 4x32 scope also a pumper in 22 caliber. Hope this helps some, good luck! scout4<><