thank you guys, i have had good a good time hunting the past few weeks, i have let alot of deer walk in the past week, this past saturday evening i when down to my greenfeild stand, i saw 13 does and 2 small bucks, i shot a big doe about 4:45 with the 500 handi, she was about a 120-130 lb doe, we have a very big doe to buck ratio problem, most of the older hunters will not shot a doe, i am 48 years old, we have guys in the club from they early 20's to into their upper 70's, i am about tied of the hole bunch, the young ones are big rack trophy bow hunters and watch too much t.v. the older ones are still living back years ago, i am so gald that i have my own land to hunt on, i would get out of that hunting club but for the turkey, 3000 acres of great deer and turkey hunting, i have not hunted on the club this year,i am just hunting on my place and by the way i saw 18 turkeys in my greenfeild about 9:00 this morning, the big 500 takes another one.