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Offline kevin

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« on: June 24, 2003, 02:16:01 AM »
Whats everyones favorite load in .357 mag and .45 colt for the pesky sparrows and starlings?or ant other caliber i've been experamenting with unique and # 8 shot and having fun.
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« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2003, 10:48:05 AM »
Speer used to make shot capsules for pistols and CCI still makes the shot cartridges. I've done some reloading in the past 40 years and found that most are only good for very short range. Use #8 or #9 shot and Unique or Bullseye powder per manufacturers instructions. At 6 to 8 feet most are hell on snakes and small vermin. At 20 feet they are beyond useful range and spread over too large an area to be humane or effective. Rich P

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« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2003, 11:25:24 AM »
Kevin,

Most home-made pistol shotshells are only marginally effective for pests and snakes up close.  Anything beyond about 10-15 feet is pretty safe.  The limiting factor is the small shot payload and the barrel rifling which ruins good shot patterns.

The best available store-bought shotshells are those by Speer in .28/.357 and .44 Magnum.  They also make the blue shot capsules for reloading.

If you really want to make pistol shotshells that work, you have to go to custom cylinder-length cases to hold more shot.

In the .44 spl/mag, I use cut-down-.444 Marlin cases with Unique powder, a 1/4" cardboard wad column, and fill the case with #9 shot.  A thin card wad and a drop of candle wax and heavy crimp holds it all in.  Size in a .41 Magnum sizing die until the case chambers in your revolver.

In .45 Colt, a large rimmed rifle case cut down and necked with a .44 Mag sizing die works.  I've used .303 British cases and even .45-70 cases swaged and with the rims turned down in diameter.

In the .38/357, finding a suitable case long enough is a problem.  I've not found that size bore to be very useful for shot.

For all these loads, work your powder charges up SLOW and EASY.  Start with a modest powder charge suitable for a wad column and shot charge weight equal to a lead bullet of that weight.

Test fire your loads for pattern, and not for velocity.  

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John
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« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2003, 03:29:01 PM »
Thanks John this is going to be fun, i've begun at trying a load in the .45 colt with 3 grains of unique and a heavy cardboard wad press against the powder buy hand , then filled up the case with #8 shot with juat enough shot to be just below the case mouth and plased another heavy wad on top and used one of lee's factory crimp dies to put on the crimp, at the range at 6 feet i had a real interesting group i shot all six cylinders and after checking the pattern was not bad on paper with a fine 12" round pattern with each shot it was fun I'll have to try some of your suggestions and see how well they work. thanks
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« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2003, 06:15:47 AM »
John,

Since we're on the subject, in .357/.38, have you tried .357 Maximum cases for shotshell loads?  That should give a little more room for shot than a .38/.357 Mag. case, but might not quite take the cake.  Thoughts?

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« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2003, 07:00:57 AM »
True, .357 Max cases are longer than .357, but they still don't come to full cylinder length.  Besides, they've almost become collector's items, haven't they?

What I really need are some custom rifle cases that will chamber in a .357.
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