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Max load on my (Cabela's Hawken 50 cal)
« on: December 26, 2007, 05:24:35 PM »
I'm jumping in on Traditional mlz head first, so help me figure some thing out fellows and bear with me. My Cabela's Hawken has a 1-48" twist with a 28" barrel. I' be using T7 2f by Hodgon and I have a Lyman 2nd edition reloading book. My Hawken is maid  by investarm  and it also came with a loading Manuel. Now my 1st ? is my powder, what is it (Pyrodex/Goex and what is Elephant powder)? 2nd ? is in my Lyman loading Manuel max load for RB is 120gr and on the Investarm manuel which came with the gun says 90gr Who is right "I don't want to blow my New gun up". 3ed ? how  do u determine that your load is at MAX?  I'm not new to reloading just new to reloading blk powder is there sign to look for? like reloading metalic cartrage. Thank guys!! 

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Re: Max load on my (Cabela's Hawken 50 cal)
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2007, 06:17:04 PM »
I have the same gun you have (a 50 cal Cabelas Hawken flintlock w/ 1:48" twist barrel - perhaps your's is percussion...), so I'll do my best to answer your questions.

If you have Triple 7 powder, you have a black powder substitute that can be used safely in black powder muzzleloaders.  Goex is a brand name for real black powder.  Pyrodex is a brand name for another type of bp substitute.  Something to keep in mind with Triple 7, it produces higher pressures when ignited then regular black powder.  Thus, it is recommended you reduce your black powder equivalent loads by 15%.  For example, if your gun is rated at 120 grains maximum charge for a patched round ball - that is the recommended maximum charge for regular black powder.  If you're using Triple 7, you'd want to go no higher than 100 grains (102 grains actually, which is 120 reduced by 15%).  Having shot patched round balls out of a 1:48" twist barrel, I can tell you that you'll probably want to go a lot lower than 100 grains if you want the best accuracy.  If you had a slower twist barrel, you could probably shoot closer to 100 grains with a patched round ball.  But each gun is different, so try different charges until you find one that works well.  In reality, with a 28" barrel, you're probably not burning 100% of the powder during the shot when using charges over 100 grains, thus you'd just wasting powder and not helping your accuracy.

As for the other manual recommending a lower maximum charge (90 grains?), I'm not sure what the suggest.  I would go with what the gun manufacturer recommends and not exceed that limit.

If you want to try something besides patched round balls someday, give the Hornady Great Plains Bullets a try.  I get outstanding accuracy with them out of my gun.  85 grains of Triple 7 and a GPB produce some very tight groups for me.  Those bullets are pretty potent on deer as well, but they do thump your shoulder a bit more than round balls.

Hope this helps some,

Jeff

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Re: Max load on my (Cabela's Hawken 50 cal)
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2007, 03:21:25 AM »
Thanks!! DakotaJeff: U R right it is a percussion cap. So U R saying that GOEX is real blk powder and so is PYRODEX they R just brand name right? and the rest R just sub right? I will be mainly using TRIPLE 7 and will reduce my load by 15% as stated in the warning manual. again THANK-U!!. Now it time to go burn some powder!!

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Re: Max load on my (Cabela's Hawken 50 cal)
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2007, 04:49:38 AM »
Using triple 7, 80g should be about right, and you will need a"hot shot", or "magnum Spitfire" nipple. All replacement powders need more spark to get them lit. You may also need a felt wad over the powder/under the patched ball, to protect the patch from the hot powder.
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Re: Max load on my (Cabela's Hawken 50 cal)
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2007, 06:56:26 AM »
Doe, yes Goex & Swiss & couple other powders are real Blk. All the rest are Blk. sub. like Trip 7, Pyro, JSG, Clear shot and few other powders. Just remember that 110 grs. and under is plenty of power real good accuracy combined. PRB in 50 cal is good out to 75 yds. with good thumping power on deer.
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Re: Max load on my (Cabela's Hawken 50 cal)
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2007, 01:16:17 AM »
All bucks that I have taken with my percussion Hawken  resulted in dead deer in close proximity to shot. I am very careful of shot selection. My favorite load is 80 grains of 777, and .490 Hornady roundball .10 lubed patch. The same nipple that came with the kit, and Remington #11 have never failed to go off.
I am however intrigued with 245 gr Powerbelt Aero Tip. I shot some of these on a whim with my Hawken a few weeks ago at 50 yards, and while my roundball load is accurate, Powerbelt really tightened my groups!
I'm not much of a shooter / range guy, but I am meticulous about shot selection, and not so bullet construction. Also firearm reliability, which means you have to straighten out up your ignition deal. Good luck!!!
I posted this earlier = this year's Hawken buck