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Questions about what a gunsmith does
« on: December 19, 2007, 12:53:39 PM »
 I am curious as to what you all feel qualifies someone to be a gunsmith. What should he be able to do?
For instance is he a machinist, engraver, stock maker, barrel maker, etc...?
What should he charge an hour?
What should his mark up be on his merchandise?
What services does your favorite smith offer?
This is for an article in the gunsmiths e-Magazine

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Re: Questions about what a gunsmith does
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2007, 05:24:22 PM »
The term "gunsmith" is as self descriptive as the term "machinist".  Very simply, the gunsmith is a technician, an artisan, or a repair person that works on guns.  He may have a specialty: sporting rifles only, sporting shotguns only, military/police weapons only, sporting handguns only, competition guns only, etc.  He is likely to specialize in one aspect of the shooting sports: barrel/action/chambering work, accurizing work, stocks and stockmaking, engraving, refinishing, etc.  Today you will rarely find a gunsmith that will tackle any and all repair jobs.  The era of specialization is deeply ingrained in our sport as it is in medicine, or accounting, or any number of construction trades and professions.

The old-time concept of a rural gunsmith is as a jack of all trades.  He could repair most anything anyone brings into his shop, from a malfunctioning shotgun to a sour shooting varmint rifle, to a handgun that jams frequently.  He is skilled at woodworking and metal working using basic hand tools and limited power tools.   He can conduct repairs ranging from removing and replacing factory parts to making and fitting parts.  He is likely to be an avid shooter, hunter, and reloader, and started his professional pursuits as a hobbyist.

The gunsmith may have a background as a skilled machinist, or woodworker, or mechanic specialist.  If he didn't start with these skilled trades, he picked them up somewhere along the way by previous employment, trade school, or vocational training courses.  His love of guns and the shooting sports is what made him follow this line of work.  The skills and knowledge that he needed to work on guns came along as he learned to become proficient at operating lathe, mill, grinder, sanders, and saws.  Welding, brazing, and heat treatment and knowledge of metallurgy was picked up in working with metals and gun mechanisms.

For all his skills, knowledge, and abilities, the industry pays quite modestly.  It's tough running a one-man gunshop and many operators in the populated parts of the country, find themselves unable to compete with the gun and ammunition sales of the local Walmarts.  The super srting goods stores often dominate local gun repair work.  Offering repair or custom gun work is the only way to stay in business.  It's an activity that demands more business skill than technical skill be sucessfull.  Retail sales of gun related accessories is often more profitable than gun sales.  The modest income potential tends to frighten away the younger people interested in this work.  It tends to appeal to the older, closer to retirement age individual that is concluding an established career or has attained financial stability.  It is frequently taken up by men that have retired from one career and are seeking modest retirement income.

So, what is a gunsmith?  First and foremost, to be sucessful, he should become a specialist.  He should have a background in machine work, machining, and woodworking.   He must be an excellent businessman, and most importantly, he should not expect to get rich in pursuing his love of gunsmithing.



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Re: Questions about what a gunsmith does
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2007, 08:56:31 PM »
JohnT that's as good a definition of the term as I've ever heard.
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Re: Questions about what a gunsmith does
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2007, 02:23:44 AM »
John Traveler, That was an excellent post!!!!!
Thanks!
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Re: Questions about what a gunsmith does
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2007, 04:07:29 AM »
Gentlemen,

After some self reflection, it's amazing how much we begin to resemble those remarks in the description!  The gunsmith description comes from meeting, knowing, and encountering dozens of fellow gun enthusiasts that happened to be running gun shops.  The common denominator has always been: we are in this line of work because we like guns, enjoy working on them, and relish the camaraderie of other people with similar interests.

As an interesting aside, when I used to travel extensively in Canada, and serviced the military systems sold to the Canadian Army at Army bases, I got to know some of the Weapons Technicians quite well.  The first time I saw storage racks near the Weapons Maintenance shops filled with camp stoves, small gas engine generators, chainsaws, hand and power tools of every description, toboggans, sleds, and racks lined with bicycles, snowmobiles, space heaters, pumps, etc I asked why they were stored here.  The answer was that Weapons Techs are not only trained in maintaining small arms/heavy weapons of every description, but  because of their general mechanical aptitude and skills, also maintained the Army's peripheral support equipment during the off season!  Imagine that:  a machine gun repairman whose collateral duties included sharpening a truckload of axes and chainsaws!
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Real simple... Re: Questions about what a gunsmith does
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2007, 06:08:19 AM »
I am curious as to what you all feel qualifies someone to be a gunsmith. What should he be able to do?
For instance is he a machinist, engraver, stock maker, barrel maker, etc...?
What should he charge an hour?
What should his mark up be on his merchandise?
What services does your favorite smith offer?
This is for an article in the gunsmiths e-Magazine

As regards the USA, let's make this real simple. A gunsmith is a business person with an FFL (Federal Firearms License), otherwise he/she is a criminal begging for striped sunshine time.

From there it is specialization. If it is metal work, any machine shop could do the work but without the FFL, bunch of criminals. Wood work? Most cabinet shops and many part time handy men could do the stock work, but again, as a business without a license, criminals. Engraving is another specialty. As is barrel making.

What was it Brownells said with passage of GCA (Gun control act) of '68... "if you spit down the barrel and charge for it, you better have a license." [And this is to "fight crime..." ... Yeh.]

Charges? Well, the person has to eat. If they have another job, they may work for the love of it and charge almost nothing. If it is their only income... Overhead has gone one way for 70 years now, up. Varys by area too.

With the "war" on gun ownership... there are still people in the old folks homes that can remember when every family had a "gun" and the occasional rabbit or squirrel or pigeon for the pot was most welcome... And the boys learned to trap too... Today only criminal wannabees own guns per all the dizzy women on day time talk shows... (yes, even us retired badge toters... "no one loves a soldier until the enemy is at the city gates..." Obviously from before air power and artillery...)

Cannot recommend the trade as an only specialty. But for the addicted with some manual skills... Just don't visit the Scheels web site and look at the requirement for the seller of guns/manager of firearms department... "friendly, aggressive sales skills..." HAPPY HOLIDAYS (I Berlin/ bing C.).

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Re: Questions about what a gunsmith does
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2007, 09:24:41 AM »
I have been a gunsmith for several years and you did great except for one thing ( Starve ) .
Thanks Oldrifter
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