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Question on barrel length legality
« on: June 22, 2003, 08:14:37 PM »
Please forgive what to many is several dumb questions.  I have a contender frame that I purchased used with a rifle length barrel on it (from an FFL dealer).  I assume that this means that this frame can ONLY be used for rifle length barrels?  If so, is the legal limit set at 16.25"?  For a barrel with a muzzle brake, wouldn't it have to be a non-removable brake if the total length was 16.25".  Please forgive all the questions, I just want to stay legal.

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Question on barrel length legality
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2003, 08:21:43 PM »
From what I know legal limit is 16 1/4".  Your frame does not need to just stay a rifle. You can make it a pistol with the different grips.  What they don't want you to do is put a pistol barrel on with a rifle buttstock.  At least, that is what I think I know lol.  I could be wrong of course, we shall see.  Also, there are no dumb questions, only dumb answers.  :grin:   Regards,

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Question on barrel length legality
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2003, 08:37:22 PM »
Quote from: varmint101
From what I know legal limit is 16 1/4".  Your frame does not need to just stay a rifle. You can make it a pistol with the different grips.  What they don't want you to do is put a pistol barrel on with a rifle buttstock.  At least, that is what I think I know lol.  I could be wrong of course, we shall see.  Also, there are no dumb questions, only dumb answers.  :grin:   Regards,

Matt :D

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Question on barrel length legality
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2003, 03:00:26 AM »
I believe varming101 is correct as regards federal law.  Some of the states may have more restrictive laws, such as what some of you refer to as the Republik of Kalifornia, but I'm not sure about that.

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Question on barrel length legality
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2003, 04:18:15 AM »
I believe the Fed. law is if it has a rifle stock, the bbl must be at least 16", and the extra 1/4" is just a safety margin.

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« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2003, 06:58:42 AM »
Thanks to all for the information.  This board is very valuable due to the great repository of wisdom.

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Question on barrel length legality
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2003, 12:17:11 PM »
The "Republik of Kalifornia" uses the same definition of a legal shoulder-arm as does the Federal Firearms Act of 1934:

The barrel must be longer than 16", and overall-length must be longer than 26" if it has a shoulder stock.

Some of our fellow Kalifornians may do what they can for an unfriendly gun-ownership climate, but they are in no position to rewrite the Federal Firearms Acts.
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« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2003, 02:25:30 AM »
Let's suppose that you live in a state that has registration on handguns. If you wish to buy a T/C in rifle or carbine configuration, wouldn't it be easier to just put the frame on the 4473, and list it as a handgun? As far as I know, there is no restriction on barrels at all. That way, you would be able to configure it either way. At least I've never heard of any hassles when going from a handgun to rifle. >>>>>>>>>>Bug.
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Question on barrel length legality
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2003, 07:41:20 AM »
OK see if we can all follow along cause I don't know if I can get it straight myself. IF it leaves the factory as a carbine/rifle then it is FOREVER AND ALWAYS A RIFLE. If is leaves as a pistol you can change at will for one configureation to the other so long as it is all pistol or all rifle.

Now that being said IMO the only time this could cause a problem would be is if you gave the Feds a reason to dig deep enough into your sh%t to find out that the pistol you had really started out as a rifle and you had knowledge of that fact. :eek:
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« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2003, 07:10:21 AM »
Crawfish hit it on the head. After numerous conversations with the BATF about this, their bottom line was, "how was it manufactured." T/C can tell you if you call them and give them the serial number, but BATF does NOT have a list that they can refer to (I asked them to tell me how my frame was made and they said they would have to have probable cause to run the Serial Number and then they would have to ask T/C for information on how it was made). Even though there is absolutely nothing different in the frames, the rules are a rifle is a rifle forever and no matter what you do to the stock the barrel better never be less than 16" or it qualifies as a "short-barreled rifle" and as the maker of that regulated firearm you are subject to pay the $200 registration fee and have to get permission before "making" it. How you bought it or registered it when you filled out the paperwork makes no difference to BATF, they go by how it was manufactured. So bottom line, don't put the carbine stock on with a less than 16" barrel EVER, don't own a carbine stock without owning a barrel over 16", and don't give the BATF a reason to check your serial numbers. Personally, I'm not worried. Just don't give BATF a reason to care.
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rifle/pistol?
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2003, 02:09:25 PM »
Everyone: this subject has been hit on so many times it's not funny. Some pretty knowledgable folks on  here have said that TC sends all frames out the same. If you shoot it as a pistol, have a pistol grip on it. If you shoot it as a rifle, have a 16" plus barrel on it. I believe that's all there is to it. Ask GB, he certainly knows more about it than I.  Pat :money: