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Offline youthpastorjon

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New to Reloading
« on: January 09, 2008, 10:01:33 AM »
I recently bought a Lee 50th anniversary kit.  I must admit that my purchase was driven by price.  I really have wanted to get into reloading for quite a while.  Any suggestions on books or any other helpful hints would be greatly appreciated. 
I have quite bit of 30-06 brass, 30-30 brass, and 22-250 brass and that will primarily be reloading the 30-06 and 22-250.  Thanks guys.

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Re: New to Reloading
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2008, 12:07:57 PM »
i have just gotten into reloading myself , same setup too.
here's what i got so far. read then read some more, ask questions about what you dont understand, ask questions about what you think you know, then read some more
im in the ask questions stage myself. there are quite a few guys on here, that really know thier stuff,.. listen to them.. and read all posts here very carefully and double check everything.  i nearly made a mistake, using the wrong powder and amount ( but didnt ) thanks to a few guys here..
 thats all  i know, glenn

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Re: New to Reloading
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2008, 01:39:59 PM »
Buy the better known reloading manuals (Speer, Hornady, etc.) and stay within the loads they show.  DON'T get the idea that loading hotter than the manuals suggest is anything CLOSE to a good idea.
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Re: New to Reloading
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2008, 05:45:53 AM »
Nothing wrong with that reloading kit but don't put to much stock in the powder throwing device ... whatever they call it. It is only intended to get close. Measure every load on your scale and get a trickle charger so you can top it off to the correct weight. Hornady makes one that is inexpensive and works very well.

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Re: New to Reloading
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2008, 06:11:22 AM »
be careful with lee scales.
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Re: New to Reloading
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2008, 06:22:12 AM »
lee scales are very cheap yes i had one years ago.takes forever to settle or stop moving etc hated it.
I had the lee kit years ago and sold it 3 months later it was way to under advanced,very sloppy press,
die lock nut and seat adjustment suck etc on and on. this is my opinion I don't like them.
will it work for you yes.BUT as I and many will tell you rather than waste money buy hornady,rsbs,lyman,redding,etc
then you won't have to replace or buy these items over and over. if you only load a couple boxes here and there they
are fine.  
I bought a hornady scale years ago love it.
I think I am going to get a lyman digital scale/dispenser.
the scale is very important be careful as others stated with lee.


AT THE TOP OF THE LIST FOR ANY RE-LOADER IS LEARN!!!!! BE SAFE!!!!!
I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU OR ANYONE STARTING OUT BUY THE
SIERRA RELOADING VIDEO WITH DAVID G TUBB.(HIGH POWER RIFLE RELOADING I THINK IS THE NAME OF IT.)
THIS GOES FROM ENTRY LEVEL TO CASE NECK TURNING ETC.
THIS IS A VERY GOOD ITEM!!!!!!!!!!!

AND NEVER NEVER TRY TO IDENTIFY POWDER BY THE LOOKS IT HAS BEEN MENTIONED HERE BEFORE TO DO IT( DON'T DO IT. )

#1 get a top reloading manual you can never have enough of these lol.
sierra,speer, are my main go to manuals.
if you only plan to shoot hornady bullets get the honrady manual it is great also.
READ THE HOW TO RELOAD SECTIONS

#2 Loading block for your case to stand in buy 2 there cheap.

#3  case lube
some have luck with sprays I use rcbs pad and lube and roll my cases on lube pad.
be sure not to get to much on or you will end up with dented shoulders.
  
#4 powder scale.
If you can afford it I would get a good hornady,rcbs,lyman,redding.
again you get what you pay for.

#5 working with primers.
the lee hand held will work if this is what you have the press model is slow and not that good.

#6 primer pocket cleaners by lee will work ok as will there deburring tool,I also use gun cleaning
brushes to clean the inside of the case neck these screw in my lyman wood handles
I would get a lyman primer pocket uniformer also.

#5 dial caliper = get a metal one not plastic.
very handy tool.
also tools to use with it.
mine are stoney point but hornady has lock n load.
get the hole set!
head space gauge set bushings to check from your case head to shoulder.
bullet comparator, bushings to check bullet seat depth this measures from case head to bullet ogive.
also get the
O.A.L. gauges with modified cases.

#7 case trimmers
the lee will work.
If you upgrade again you get what you pay for and cheap ones are just that.
I have a redding now and very happy with it.

#8 outside neck turner

by no means have I covered all the bases just a few starters for ya.

Tip powder trickler = I have used this for years and very cheap.
I use a 270 case and drop a charge in it. then drop a charge in scale pan
then take the case with powder spin back and forth slow and powder will come out of the case neck
you can drop a kernel at a time or faster if needed just a little practice.

On your 30-30 I like to seat the bullet then crimp in a separate step.
don't go over board this is hard on the case mouth.

A bullet puller is another item I would put at the top of the to get items.
the hammer type work great  I have had mine for years,these don't hurt your bullets.

 I would get the movie and watch it then you will have a very good idea on this.we can write all day and
tell you what to do but not really teach or help you much. please get this movie and watch
all 4to6 hours of it.
I would give it to you but ONE of my boy's recorded over it but they don't know how that happened.

I WISH IT WAS STILL GOOD AS THIS WOULD MAKE A GREAT PAY IT FORWARD ITEM TO WATCH
THEN PASS IT TO ANOTHER NEW RE LOADER.
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Re: New to Reloading
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2008, 01:08:52 PM »
You gotta just love these folks from the "I'll bet I can spend more money for my stuff than you can" club that hang around and when someone sez I bought a xxx because it was what I could afford, they proceed to tell them what a rotten POS they've bought.
Makes you wonder how Lee has stayed in business so long. Or how folks have been able to load up all those gazillions of rounds of good, accurate ammo using their equipment. Or how much they pay those folks to say they've used their equipment for years and years with complete satisfaction.
A few years ago, I bought a Lee Challenger press just to see how they were made. I'd say it was the equal to the latest RCBS press that I bought that I paid a lot more for.  No, the RCBS wasn't a RockChucker because in 45 years of reloading and case forming, I never seen a need for a RockChucker. 
Welcome to the hobby, Youthpastorjon. Fascinating hobby.  And like any other, you can spend all the money you want to.  ;D



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Re: New to Reloading
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2008, 06:02:44 PM »
beemanbeme.
Just in case this is a stab at me I will give 2 samples of wasted money,if not sorry I must have looked at Your post the wrong way.

#1 The lee press kit had the press ram loose after 2 month's ,Did I sent it back to get another one, no I sold it.

#2 my boy bought a set of lee dies (because they was cheaper) These too are similar to others I got rid of with the kit above.
They leave nice scratches down the case.

Just my opinion I have had no luck with lee dies and challenger press.
as far as I am concerned it was a waste of time and money.

And no I am not Bragging I am straight out telling the truth (YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR)
Another item was a case trimmer by lyman nice price but in no time the thing was as loose as a goose.
 

I was trying to help by my mistakes and save the fellow re loader from doing the same.
He asked for help,pointers,etc.
AS A MATTER OF FACT I SEE NO HELP IN YOUR POST BUT A DIG that's fine
At least I tried to help him , always gotta be one of them in the bushes. I didn't think it was that way here,
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 I HAD NO INTENTION ON CUTTING YOUR PURCHASE DOWN AND BRAGGING I WAS JUST TRYING TO LET
YOU KNOW MY TROUBLE WITH SOME ITEMS AND POINT YOU IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
I AM SORRY IF YOU TOOK IT THAT WAY AND FOR THIS POST THAT DON'T HELP YOU.
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Re: New to Reloading
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2008, 02:23:40 AM »
No offense taken.  I asked for opinions and that is what I am getting.  I welcome any and all comments.  I am in the learning stage of reloading and don't plan on even setting anything up until I am well read.  Thanks guys.  Keep it coming.

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Re: New to Reloading
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2008, 03:14:10 AM »
youthpasterjon, you'll find out here that somethings are a sacred cow. And reloading seems to be one of them. Alot of re-loaders are very opinionated on their equipment. It's one of the few things that I spend a little extra money on for myself. My thoughts are, the equipment is a durable good, will last more than the average lifetime,if taken care of, so I don't mind spending the extra cash. Get set up, go slow at first, and a year or so down the road, form your own opinion on what you need or want, and go with it. Don't be afraid to ask questions! gypsyman
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Re: New to Reloading
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2008, 05:00:21 AM »
Beginners are those most in need of good equipment and are the ones least likely to pay for it.
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Re: New to Reloading
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2008, 06:16:57 AM »
As I said, it was a stab at everybody in the "I'll bet I can spend more money on my stuff than you can" club. (I wisht I had coined that phrase) so you can take it as you wish.  You buy what you can afford. But too many people in America believe the only criteria for quality is price. "if it cost more, it has to be better".  This is why Dumba$$es will pay $$$$ for a pair of sneakers that cost $6.00 at the factory in Korea. And in the shooting and reloading sport, diminishing returns has certainly found a poster child.
The point is, the guy had bought the kit.  He wanted to know how to USE the kit. If parts of it were not what you would have selected or he needed additional "stuff", he'd find out soon enough.IMO, no kit is complete. I guess that's why they're called starter kits. But they'll get you off the ground, And that's what they're intended to do. I've read too much good stuff about the Lee kits in here to believe they are junque. 
I've never bought a kit. I was lucky in that I bought my reloading rig intact from an accomplished reloader and we moved it from his house to mine. I didn't even have to figure out where to put what for a flow of continuity.  And he mentored me in my early efforts.  He was my cyberspace. Even with that, I have added to my inventory of "stuff".  He did not have a Lyman 1200. (which I've heard some refer to as junk) And so, I own three pieces of Lee eq:  a 7-08 die that I bought when Remington first brought out the 7-08 and still use, three autoprimes, 1 for small primers, 1 for large primers and 1 on the shelf if they turned out to be POS's like you folks said they would (I bought all three 8 years ago), and a Challenger press. I bought the press a couple of years ago after hearing them bad-mouthed so that I just wanted to see one. It's set up on my bench and I use it. As far as I'm concerned, it's the equal of any $100 press out there.  Is it the equal of, say, an Orange Crusher?  I don't know. In 45 years of reloading and case forming --that includes taking 30-06 cases down to 22-250 to learn how and to see if I could-- I've never needed an Orange Crusher. (See note above about hundred dollar sneakers  ;D ) But my point is, all three items have done the job I bought them for.
If what he had already picked isn't what you would have picked, that's okay.  Maybe somewhere down the line, when he decides he has to have a Dillon, he can pass his choices off to one of the kids he is mentoring. To them, it would probably be like gold.  ;)

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Re: New to Reloading
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2008, 12:14:58 PM »
Yes I would like to have a lyman 1200 do I have $200 bucks to toss out for one no!
I also can't afford to buy things and replace them ,it is cheaper to buy a product that will do
the job and do it flawlessly for years to come and not need to be replaced.
I also don't have the money to go buy items to check them out after I here they are not a good deal.
my point to youthpastorjon and others is as I said above.
again you get what you pay for why does lee charge $20.00 for the scale they sell and rcbs,redding,lyman,hornady
to name a few charge $40.00-$60.00 for a good scale.that's right you don't get much precision for $20 bucks.
maybe you have good luck with lee scales/I am going to tell a beginner to buy the item that will most likely serve them for years
to come not have them say I wish I would have got something better. On the same page Why take your way and buy a 16 year old
first time fisherman a snoopy rod/reel combo when you could buy say a zebco  33 combo for a few more bucks and a hole lot better
Again you have so much to say but not a thing to help youthpastorjon. other than you here things are bad so you go buy them.
I will not follow up on any more beemambeme post and nonsense and mess with youthpastorjons post.
I did have good luck with a lee powder funnel and a factory crimp die and I still use them today.
I also looked high and low for that video youthpastorjon in hopes it could be fixed so you could watch it,and I just can't find it
sorry I tried.
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Re: New to Reloading
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2008, 12:23:09 PM »
See what I mean.  gypsyman
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Re: New to Reloading
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2008, 02:33:26 PM »
One other suggestion I'd like to make.  Do not be leery of mixing different brands in reloading equipment.  I use an old, 45 year old Herter press and powder measure, Redding scales, RCBS, Lee, Redding, and Herters dies.  I personally haven't noticed any difference in the dies, but do not discount others having problems.  The best advice I can give you is to read and completely understand reloading techniques and principles.  Then follow them implicitly.  As you learn, you will encounter different and less time consuming tools for reloading but they do come at a cost.  Use your equipment now, get the technique and practice down, follow the data manuals starting with less than max loads, and have fun.  You will increase your knowledge and equipment as time goes on.  I reloaded for 30 years before obtaining my chronograph and wondered how ever I reloaded without one.  Don't be fooled, it is not necessary, but nice to use for load refinement.
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Re: New to Reloading
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2008, 03:21:56 PM »
excellent points deltecs.
I have 270 full length horandy die set and also a rcbs neck die. deltecs has a very good point that you do not have
to stick with one brand and mix and match is fine.

another item is the challenger press: be sure to keep your ram lubed and tear down and clean then re lube when you notice the
ram getting real black and dirty.

also your dies if you start getting to much lube on cases it will start to build up in your dies and again dent shoulders.

get some silicone grease or something of the sort for your press ram and a can of brake clean to clean inside your dies and press ram, you can get these a walmart.
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Re: New to Reloading
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2008, 03:32:18 PM »
Youthpastorjon:

I'm new to reloading on my own.  I used to reload under my Dad's watchful eye when I was about 12.  Anyway, he used RCBS so I bought RCBS.  I'm in the process of setting everything up, but before I start anything I plan to finish reading "The ABC's of Reloading" 7th Edition.  So far this has provided a great overview and some "how-to's" in getting everything set up.  My RCBS kit came with the Speer manual, but the Lyman manual has been recommended by many.  Additionally, as you start to figure out which powders and bullets you'll use most of the time you should get their manuals as well.  Stimpy started a thread with useful links which would be good for you to check out.  I'll be setting up my bench this weekend to get this ball rolling and start rolling my own.

Enjoy!

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Re: New to Reloading
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2008, 04:33:33 PM »
  I only hope you buy your equipment from a reputable source ,pastorjon. I have Lee ,RCBS, Hornady,Lyman and other brands on my bench. There is NO product line that doesn't let a lemon thru on occasion. I learned to reload with my grandad showing me the way. If I had some thing that I thought would NOT do it's job ,I'd never sell it to some unsuspecting buyer. Sure, If he STILL wanted that piece of junk, after learning why it was junk(IMO) he could HAVE it. Just pay me what HE thought it was worth. I have a Lee press on my bench now that I broke. I did NOT oil or clean it for 5 years! In that time it was used to load a ton of ammo of all calibers I also reformed 500 30-06 & 270 cases into 25-06. Necked .44mag cases to .35 caliber for a project.and other reloading chores.Reloading can be a chore or a LOT of fun. Don't think you are going to save a lot of money,because you will just shoot more,and maybe better.
 Send me a PM and we can talk more and NOT get a PEEING contest started.

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Re: New to Reloading
« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2008, 05:30:59 PM »
YouthPastorJon:

I am sorry you had to listen to the arguments.

Read all you can. Use the equipment from the kit. It will produce great loads. I have used mine for over five years. Replace things that really annoy you, when you can afford to. Some of my Lee stuff annoys me a bit, but not enough to replace it. My current car annoys me a bit, but I am not going to get a BMW.

The big thing is to experiment, shoot, and have some fun.

Good luck,

mike
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