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new abolt medallion dilemma
« on: March 13, 2009, 03:38:43 PM »
Started out trying to order my 8 year old son a micro hunter 7mm08 for his B-day last week.  When I contacted the store about sending my ffl's info I was informed they didn't have it in stock as the order sheet had indicated.  Here the problem begins gun manager tells me micro hunter not available but he has Medallions for $599.  $30  more and a super price.  I go ahead and order thinking a 22" barrel instead of 20" he will appreciate it more when he grows up.  I get it in at my ffl's and open the box (holy crap thats a long barrel I think)

I call them and tried to get an explanation why this gun has a 24" barrel instead of 22".  After he tells me your welcome for doing me such a favor and 30 minutes of BS on the phone.  I finally figure out that apparently Browning made a special run of 24" barrels in the short action and 26" barrels in the long action calibers for this retailer.  (wasn't made aware of this when order was placed) He told me to cut the barrel off.

Problem is my son is 4'3" and 62 lbs.  The gun is absolutely gorgeous and i WAS THINKING I would buy an extra hunter stock and cut it down and have the medallion stock for when he grows up at not a whole lot more than a remington sps youth.  My problem is barrel length.  I can't bring myself to desecrate such a thing of beauty by cutting the barrel off.

Help I need moral support.  :P
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Re: new abolt medallion dilemma
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2009, 11:37:49 PM »
If you have the funds??? I would keep the gun for papa and order another one for him---but thats just me.


Browning factory stocks are amazingly expensive---a plastic Stalker stock is over $300 at Midway which is still cheaper than if you ordered it from Browning----the wood stocks are even more----for that kind of money its cheaper just to buy a whole new gun.

The B&C stocks were more reasonable---but I don't think thats what you're looking for---they're pushing $150---which again for me-----would be better spent on another gun.

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Re: new abolt medallion dilemma
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2009, 04:31:40 AM »
yep, exactly what I was thinking. ;D  I'm sure Momma won't mind.

I've got a micro medallion 7mm-08 found waiting for some pics and particulars.  That's what I wanted in the first place. Maybe it will work out. ;)

Matching big gun/lil gun too cool :)
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Re: new abolt medallion dilemma
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2009, 01:53:57 PM »
Learned many years ago that men justify buying firearms because their sons will someday enjoy them, and they are darn good investments.  Wives use the same rationalization for purchasing jewelry.  Hold your ground.  Hard to keep up with a determined wife.

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Re: new abolt medallion dilemma
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2009, 04:27:31 AM »
Thankfully she has come to understand that my guns at least hold their own if not increase in value, whereas the kiddy toys and video games get given away at the yard sales. Besides the micro medallion will fit her real nice when the boy outgrows it. ;D

I think Iv'e got this one beat if the guy will ever respond to me.
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Re: Get one that fits
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2009, 10:55:21 PM »
My advice is to start from scratch with a rifle that fits your son.  My own son got his first rifle last year when he turned 9.  We had a gun show here in Tahlequah on his birthday, and rather than buying him a "surprise,"  I surprised him by letting him go to the show and have a voice in picking out his first rifle.

At the show, I tried to talk him into a Crickett .22LR.  He wasn't terribly enthused with it at the time, and claimed that the rear sight was useless because he couldn't see anything through it.  He also didn't appreciate the fact that they are a right-handed rifle and he is left handed. 

He tried out a Rossi youth model "Matched Pair" single shot with interchangeable .22LR / 20 gauge barrels.  He immediately liked the Hi-Viz open sights better than the peep on the Crickett.  The rifle seemed to fit him okay at the time, so I let him have his way.

At the range, it didn't take long for me to realize that the Rossi really didn't fit him all that well.  It is also a fairly heavy gun, and it was difficult for my son to control.  I enjoyed shooting it, because it has a surprisingly decent trigger and is also surprisingly accurate.  My son found it difficult to hold steady, and almost impossible for him to reload and cock by himself.  On subsequent range trips, he began shooting my 10/22 more and more.  He could control it a little better because it is lighter than the Rossi.  He hit a little better with it, but not by much.  It was still too much gun for him in terms of size and weight and bulk.

Shooting with his rifle or mine was something that he was willing to do, but something he could "take or leave."  I think he felt obligated to try to like it, since every male member of his family on both the Caucasian and Cherokee sides are avid outdoorspersons, and some of the ladies, too -including his mother.  But I wouldn't say that he had "independent interest" in shooting.

This year, when his birthday rolled around, I took him to Wal Mart to have him try on a Crickett for size again.  This was, in part, his idea, as he had previously mentioned that he might have made a mistake in choosing the Rossi over the Crickett last year.  He also said that he now understands what the sight picture is supposed to look like through the peep, thanks to a WWII shoot em' up computer game he likes to play, and that he didn't really understand what he was supposed to do with a peep sight before, in spite of my best attempt to explain it to him.  When he tried on the Crickett this time, as soon as he got it in his hands and put it to his shoulder, it was like a light bulb went off in his brain, and the expression on his face said, "Ah! So THIS is what a gun that fits is SUPPOSED to feel like."  He was ready to buy, on the spot.  They had a red, white and blue laminate stock model with stainless barrel and black blued barrel on black synthetic.  He liked the black on black.  I told him that I would buy it, but I wanted him to see a stainless and brown laminate version at the local gun shop first, and if he still liked the black on black best, we'd buy that one.

At the shop, he seemed to really like the look of the brown laminate / stainless model, and was amped to buy until he saw the price tag and noted that the version he held in his hands was almost a hundred dollars more than the black on black one at Wal Mart.  After some discussion about how I earn money and therfore feel some sense of entitlement to determine where and how I will spend it, and that the difference was worth it to me if he liked the more expenisve one better, he decided to go for it.

Later that day, at the range, I found that it was indeed money well spent.  I fired the first shot to check for sighting and found it was sighted in by the factory to be dead on with the ammo we had (Mini Mags) at 35 yards.  I showed him how to operate the rifle and his first shot was an X ring hit.  He then proceeded to go through an entire brick of ammo.  We ran out of ammo before he was ready to go home.

The next day, the first words he spoke to me in the morning were, "Gee, dad, it's a really nice day.  I think it would be a great day to do some shooting.  Can we go out to the range today?"

"You betcha.  If I can some bullets for sale in this town......."

I bought all that Wal Mart had -about 600 rounds, total.  He shot another five hundred of them.  He was no longer using his monopod rest, but "position shooting" from standing, kneeling, and prone.  By the end of the session, he was working on punching the center out of a 50 M smallbore target at 50 yards.  His sustained rate of safe, accurate fire with the little single-shot Crickett has to be seen to be believed.
Once again, we ran out of ammo well before he was ready to quit.

Since then, we've been going to the range after school, on days when we don't have some other conflicting prior commitments.  And we still run out of ammo before he is ready to quit.  And he still asks to go to the range every single day.  He has also decided that we should move out of town into the country, on a piece of land big enough so that he can have a safe place to shoot his Crickett every day.  He is also 4'3" tall and weighs 62 pounds.

The long-winded point of all of this is that there is a difference between a gun that fits which the shooter can control, and one that doesn't fit too well.  The former is a source of frustration.  The latter is a pathway to a lifetime of wholesome fun.

Even if you have to buy another gun to get one that fits your kid and your kid can control, the end result is worth the price, IMHO.

-JP



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Re: new abolt medallion dilemma
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2009, 04:57:53 AM »
Very good post JP.  And I agree wholeheartedly.

He has a superlight handi in 243, and a matching handi 22. set up with identical scopes.  He shoots both very well and has killed several deer in the last 2 years with 243. 

He also likes shooting his mommas bolt action better.  Hence the reason this whole mess started.  Besides he's paying for half of it with his B-Day money.   I'm still looking for a (Browning) rifle that i don't mind to make fit him, (He has my tastes in guns) ;) let a perfect candidate get away Monday.  It just sounded too good to be true, and by the time the guy responded to me, the guy he had just hung up with bought it while I was on the phone with him.

I work with the local 4-H Shooting Sports program and see it every day where Daddy wants his 9 year old kid to shoot his full length 12 gauge, or his 70 lb 30 Inch draw length bow, because their not willing to spend the money on their kid.  But they don't hesitate spending $300-400 on a WII or xBox and some games.

Said i'd never do that. and he'll inherit this other gun someday anyway.  It is SOOOOOOOO SWEEEET
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