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Levering review
« on: December 27, 2007, 11:12:04 PM »
My experiences with two 1895s and three 336s. All new purchases since the guide guns were introduced in the late 90s. Used only factory ammo. I have alot of experiences with all the major manufactures of new arms and factory cartridges. My first was the 45-70 guide gun (18" or so tube with ports). Tried Rem, Win & Fed 300gr hps, several boxes each. The Rem had a most briliant flash thru the ports sideways compared to the other 2 brands. The standard 300gr Win (not Partition) I had problems pulling the trigger and dropping the hammer, tried the 3 brands and confirmed there was a problem (could not drop the hammer with a good grip on the lever and exertion on the trigger. 30% prob with the Win 300 grainers only(tried 3 boxes). My current 1895 22" 45-70 is scoped and am happy using only 405gr sp Rem factory ammo (less recoil). 2 1/2 years ago purchased 2 336s. One 30-30 the other 35 Rem. No issues with the 30-30, functioned slick. The 35 Rem had issues with the next cartridge begining to get stuck under the loading gate, also the lever had to be very tightly and consciously squezed or it would have a springing effect like opening up (maybe because of the loading gate issue) all the same time having a very hard trigger figure 20lbs (maybe because of the lever springing issue). I made sure there was not a cartridge stuck under the loading gate durring the circumstances noted and checked all screws for tightness. Both of these 336s were scoped. Accuracy with them at 1st seemed very good. Later with more time and ammo at the range accuracy seemed to be less or poor compared to other rifle types (maybe 5" groups). I have since sold the guide gun and the 2 336s. I feel the 300gr 45-70 factory ammo has sort of a higher level of recoil for what you get. Two months ago I picked up a new 35Rem 336 at cabelas. Wanted to try again, this one functions different than my first. After loading 5 or 6 factory Rem 200 grainers into the mag tube and swiftly opening the lever to jack a round into the chamber I get a train wreck of cartriges under the shell lifting arm. The lever is pretty much stuck wide open, cannot move. So unscrewing the lever screw, taking off the lever and pulling the bolt is required. The shells are stuck with the tip under the next shell base and the base of the most rearward shell is angled up and tight with the ejector and reciever. A medium sized blade screwdriver is handy in poking at the cartridges thru the back hole of the reciever and ejection port. Taking out the ejector and putting it away I suggest. Cartridges are difficult to release, sometimes one at a time and shooting backwards about 3 feet. Other times 3 or 4 will come out backwards at once after poking at them, cascading, hoo ray. I am happy with my 22" 1895, no problems with the loading gate, lever, function. I always check tightness of all screws etc. and operate the lever consciously for good function.

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Re: Levering review
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2008, 12:45:16 PM »
I tried my 35 Rem 336 again today. I tried loading just 2 shell into the mag tube this time, lever one shell, pull trigger then bang.  Lever 2nd shell, pull trigger, bang.  Proceded to load 3 shells into the mag, opened the lever to chamber one and it stuck wide open.

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Re: Levering review
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2008, 01:21:03 AM »
I remember seeing a fix for this problem in the stickies....Something about some parts wearing because a burr wasn't removed at the factory...You might want to look into it....

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Re: Levering review
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2008, 03:45:02 AM »
You say your .35 was bought new, why not contact Marlin and see what they have to say?
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Re: Levering review
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2008, 01:26:39 AM »
I remember seeing a fix for this problem in the stickies....Something about some parts wearing because a burr wasn't removed at the factory...You might want to look into it....


Marlin sent a letter out to new rifle owners of the 336 about the shells sticking in the magazine due to a burr at the chamber side of the tube. You can always call them and tell them what it's doing and they will be more than glad to help. They are good folks to do business with. Also, check all your screws on the outside of your receiver, sometimes they will loosen up and cause a problem.
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Re: Levering review
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2008, 11:32:02 PM »
Thanks. it was newly purchased at Cabelas in early Dec 07.  I saw the Maurader fix for the lever "snail", and the magazine tube smooth down procedure. It jammed open while empty or with 1-6 in the tube, I took off the scope mounts. checked all screws.  I finished off 110 rounds of Rem 200 grainers, some of it fed single shot.  I was aware of my option to send it back with a letter explaining the problem.  It even made a delayed "clicking sound" after laying it down for a minute. After the click sound it was time to close the lever. Also it had a snaping sound.  I am hurt because I canceled my lay away for another 30-30 336 and my interest in the Express round are dashed. I have a 1895 45-70 and it is my survivor.

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Re: Levering review
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2008, 12:50:34 AM »
Let me understand this:  Marlin recognizes the problem, you have chosen to not have them fix it, and you are upset.  Who is the cause of your "hurt?"

Fact of life is that few of us have the means to always have custom made stuff that is without faults.  Anything made in a factory is subject to error.  For example, I can't recall the last car I bought that didn't have recalls and updates. 

Marlin has a good reputation for taking care of its customers.  I guarantee you that contacting them will be far more likely to get your troubles fixed than complaining on the Internet about it.
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