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cleaning a lubrisizer
« on: April 14, 2008, 05:25:21 PM »
I just ordered 10 sticks or your LBT blue, soft.  I finally decided to try it. so what it the best way to clean old wax out of the lubrisizor? I was  going to put it on a pan in the oven, (my wife works late)  and turn it on low, about 180 degrees or so, and run the wax out that way. but I likely won't get it all out, how clean need it be?  I shoot cast  bullets in 30-06, 30-30, 32 WSpl, .357 and .41 mag revolvers.
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Re: cleaning a lubrisizer
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2008, 05:31:32 PM »
  The method you gave is my preferred way, and it gets it plenty clean.  Cleaner than any other I know of.  You are definately on track doing it when 'your wife works late".    Actually the smell isn't too bad when melting at low temps, especially if the stove vent fan is running.

  You can also melt the lube out with the sizer on the bench.  Remove is sizer die, and use a blow dryer, or small propane torch to heat it till the lube runs out.  Wipe it up with a rag while the lube is still melted and you are done.
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Re: cleaning a lubrisizer
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2008, 06:33:51 PM »
IF melted in the oven, is there a chance of heating the seal in the base to where it will leak lube under pressure after it all cools?

I just rebuilt the seal and shaft in my Lyman 45, simply from wear, but that seal had leaked for years and I bought the outfit very well used. Got the rebuild kit from Lyman at under $20 and the leak has disappeared. I do use a hair dryer to soften up hard lube, but then again I've never cleaned a lubrasizer. Just let the new push out the old. Doesn't seem to hurt my paper punching, but I'm sure it effects ultimate performance.

Just don't want to have to replace that seal again.

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Re: cleaning a lubrisizer
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2008, 02:38:29 AM »
When changing from one lube to another in mine I just put in the new stick and don't worry about the mixing of lubes for awhile. By the second stick of the new lube I can't notice any sign at all of the old any longer and usually by the time I'm half way thru that first new stick darn little of the old is showing. I'm a basically lazy person and just can't see wasting my time removing lube just to change to a new lube when I can just add the new stick and be done with it.


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Re: cleaning a lubrisizer
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2008, 03:35:48 AM »
I'm with Greybeard on this one. Couple years ago, decided to moly some sticks of lube. Made up a double boiler, melted 3 sticks of lube, added about 3 teaspoons of powdered moly and mixed it up. While it was still in the liquid state, I had un-screwed the top of my Lubra-sizer, and poured it about 3/4 full. For quite awhile, the lube on the bullets had a swirl. Looked kinda neat, as you turned the bullet around, the lube changed color, brown, then black.   gypsyman
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Re: cleaning a lubrisizer
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2008, 02:48:32 PM »
Glad to know I'm in good company. Here's to the swirl pattern!

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Re: cleaning a lubrisizer
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2008, 05:14:28 PM »
Well, I normally just push in a new stick, But in this case, I wanted to make a test with my old lube and the LBT which i have real alot about but I have not tried it,  I have a M94 in .32 special with a nice barrel. I want to make up the most accurate ammo for it I can, using lead bullets, in fact  I  use an RCBS  .32-170-FN .  I though it would be something to try anyway. It's shootin!

 I haven't got the money right now but I would like ask Mr Smith, about making one of his soft nose bullet molds for it. when I save up enough scrap aluminum to pay for it.
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Re: cleaning a lubrisizer
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2008, 05:55:32 PM »
That mold should be a real dandy. I've not used any of Veral's lube yet, but it is on my 'to buy' list soon as the back bills get caught up. This winter was a killer on my balance sheet. I can understand your desire to start with a clean slate for the test - go for it! I also have a well-worn 94 in 32WSpl - was my grandfather's. 1927 year of mfg. He thought it was shot out 40 years ago, and it still shoots as well as I can, given the right diet. Shot my last elk with it and cast bullets from a Lee mold (borrowed) at 182gr in my wheelweights. It was a difficult mold, but the bullets worked ok - I don't consider it a proper elk rifle, but it will work within its limitations. I would think Veral's mold might raise the bar on those limitations.

Veral - you might want to make two of those when he orders that 32Spl mold - no hurry - I too am saving the pop cans!
I have an NEI mold for my 45 Colt, came as a package deal, and getting a vertical line sometimes like a hyperbola starting at the top of the nose and running down the side. Some of the lines look like not enough heat, either in the mold or in the alloy, but I had a devil of a time getting really good bullets out of it. It is a 2-cavaty aluminum mold advertised as 270gr, casts 256gr from #2Lyman mix.
Can you possibly diagnose this? I'm running an old Lee 10#Electric pot, bottom pour. My own 20-20 hindsight is telling me it was plugged into a long extension cord and the voltage drop prevented ever reaching proper temperature. Just a thought.

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Re: cleaning a lubrisizer
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2008, 04:48:00 PM »
  The extension cord would not be a problem unless it felt warm in your hand after running the pot for some time.  (The warmth would be from too small wire in the cord acting as a heater, which would cause a voltage drop.  But still not likely to lower your pot temp.)

  The lines in your bullets, sounds like a drop of lead which solidified before the cavity filled completely, which is caused from the mold being too cold, and can be partly from pouring sideways as the stream begins.  When the mold is hot enough, the whole thing will be full before any solidification begins, and will not produce wrinkles or lines like you are getting.

  One more thing.  Lee pot thermostats are in the box at the back, which if cooled by a breeze, of if the pot is used in cold weather, will not let the thermostat cycle when it should and the lead will overheat. I've seen them run the lead red hot!  In hot still air, it will cycle way too soon and not bring the melt up to proper temperature.

  The least expensive lead thermometer in the world is a pine stick.  A wood kitchen match stick is fine.  Dip it in the melt for a few seconds.  If it comes out well browned the lead is hot enough to cast well.  If it comes out black, or starts smoking quickly after inserting into the melt, you are running quite a bit hotter than necessary.  If at night or in a shop with no windows, turn the lights off and look at the melt.  If you can see a very dull red, temperature is at least 850 deg F,  900 to 1000  will be a fairly bright red.
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Re: cleaning a lubrisizer
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2008, 04:57:50 PM »
Thanks, Veral!

I never thought of being outdoors creating a problem - I generally only cast outside in the summer, but last Saturday, I just couldn't resist and we were just in the entrance to a huge garage, in the shade - so probably a combination of events.

I did check the extension cord and it had no warmth in it - heavy duty outdoor cord - but I was running two molds, and maybe that didn't allow the blocks to heat up properly and I didn't recognize it. I usually do run two and sometimes three molds at a time to keep them from overheating. 

Guess 'next time' I will try just one mold and see if I can't keep the draft off the pot.

These will punch holes in paper, just not real pretty or as good as they could be.

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Re: cleaning a lubrisizer
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2008, 05:06:13 PM »
  The breeze is almost certainly your problem.  Sit in the same place again and enjoy the fresh air, but sit sideways and place a windbreak against your pot so the breeze don't hit it.  Lee melter's have barely enough heater to melt the lead well, and trying to run too much through them will get you too cool lead for good casting.  If you want to push it.  Lay your ingots in an old skillet placed on an electric hot plate, or better yet an electric fry pay cranked up to 400 deg.  They won't chill the melt when you drop them in the pot, and you SURE won't have to worry about trapped moisture in your ingots causing a ruckus when it steams off under the melt!
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Re: cleaning a lubrisizer
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2008, 05:27:22 PM »
Yee-Haw! That trapped moisture gets downright exciting - but I can live well without it!!!

Thanks for the tips - should make a gigantic difference in the next batch!

We've gone from lay off to overtime - so we shall see when we can get back to investing in fun! LOL

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Re: cleaning a lubrisizer
« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2008, 01:11:34 PM »
I always find it hard to believe anyone "normal" ever shoots out a rifle barrel.  either to much or too little or done wrong!   I would love to shoot an elk with my .32 spl. It's a 1950 version. I have to order a front sight for it though as the correct width is no longer manufactured.  Of course I would love to hunt elk with my flintlock, my 06, my .........  but I think most of all I would love to hunt elk with some friends!
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Re: cleaning a lubrisizer
« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2008, 05:51:39 PM »
Argonaut-

Didn't say the barrel was worn out, though I have said my Grandad said it was about shot out back in the '50's. It's a 1927 vintage and he bought it new. he used it to feed the family and two logging camps of hungry men through the '30's and into the '40's. It has seen a lot of service and the rifling is getting a bit shalllow, but it does as good as I can see. The bluing is about all gone and an ex-wife rapped it around the kitchen table leg so the stock has been repaired - but it is a full-length magazine carbine and still gets to hunt now and then.
Those elk I shot were in Wyoming. Since moving to North Idaho, the only ones I've seen so far were either on a golf course in Sandpoint, or too close to occupied housing. I've yet to get into them here, though I have gotten close enough to smell them. I do agree on having good friends to hunt with. I have three, two of whom are retired. The third member is 20 years younger and has been my best pal for the last 11 years. We were best friends in Wyoming, and then both of us ended up here in Sandpoint a couple years apart. In Wyoming, it took me a few seasons to get into the elk, and I'm expecting the same here - this is season #3 coming up. Shot my first Idaho Whitetail last fall, hunting with one of my newer buddies.

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Can we order and pay now? Got your list that was posted here - got my tax return Friday, a gift from Mom & Dad yesterday, and a love offering from a church in Bonners Ferrry where we ministered today, so I guess I can get back to business - gun business! LOL

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Re: cleaning a lubrisizer
« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2008, 05:29:37 PM »
  I truely understand why the wife who wrapped your rifle around a table leg is your X!

  By all means order molds from the sale list ASAP so you don't miss out.  Yet there isn't a hurry yet as the deadline to get in is the 30th.

  About worn out barrels.  The idea is hatched by those who don't understand how to deal with worn throats.  If the bullet is held straight in the throat and is fat enough, I haven't heard of a barrel that was shot out!  The worst I cut a mold for had no visable rifling three inches up from the case neck.  A 303 British double rifle worth keeping original.  I made a mold to fit the throat with a heavy forward driving band to grab on when it hit any trace of rifleing and both barrels shot it into 1 1/2 inches at 100 yards with full power loads.  If he'd have used only one barrel and a scope the groups would have been more attractive, but with iron sights and two different barrels it shot as well as it did when new!
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Re: cleaning a lubrisizer
« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2008, 06:58:43 AM »
wrapped your .32 around a table leg. wow! what a terrible thing to happen to a rifle that has given such good service.  !
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Re: cleaning a lubrisizer
« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2008, 10:24:13 AM »
Yup - she had totally no regard for the finer things in life. It was her way or the highway....she's still in Maine! and the highway has been good to me! 18 years in Wyoming, 3 in Southern Cal, now 3 1/2 here in North Idaho. No Worries, Mate!

Totally off topic, but pertinent.

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