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Offline stalkerhawk

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newbie ?? 1895G
« on: March 19, 2008, 07:03:54 PM »
Ok I just got a Marlin guide gun in 45/70 I'd like to up grad the trigger, sights,and extend the tube mag.Also would like to put a larger loop on.Can any one tell me were I can get what I need,and about what it will cost. Thanks.

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Re: newbie ?? 1895G
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2008, 08:47:48 PM »
I can't help with pricing, but I've seen many that were done by Wild West Guns. You might try their website for pricing.

http://www.wildwestguns.com/
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« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2008, 02:23:04 PM »
Stalker,
When you get the trigger, let me know if you need some directions to install it. I'm an old pro at this and without knowing what screws to remove, it can be a nightmare. Normally, you can do the trigger in 10 min. or less. The trigger will cost you around 90.00. The DRC and WWG lever will run you about 150.00. Sa far as sights go, I use an XS ghost sight with a scout set-up but this depends on your application. Range44 gave you good advice as far as buying this stuff from Midway, good folks to buy from. The levers will be on backorder for about a month. It's expensive to outfit these 1895G, but if you only can afford to to do one up-grade, do the trigger. The triiger-pull is about 7 lb. on the facory trigger. The WWG trigger takes it down to about 2.5lbs.

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Re: newbie ?? 1895G
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2008, 04:06:07 PM »
Old Grizz what is a scout set-up ? I'm just wanting to hunt,and get good groups at 200 yrds. looked at midway and everything is on back order WOW! must be allot of marlin owners upgrading.Now can I extend the mag tube to the end of the barrel?,and can I do these upgrades my self or am I going to pay a smith to do it?  Thanks

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Re: newbie ?? 1895G
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2008, 10:09:12 AM »
Stalker,
This will answer your question about extending the magazine tube.




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Finally worked up the cojones to take a file to my beloved GG, and extend the mag tube. I LOVE it! Thanks mad_rshn for the inspiration, and all the other helpful hints from those who've done it.

It took about 4 hrs all told, bought the standard mag tube for the 1895CB from Brownell (part# 550-000-664) for $26.50, and cut it from the rear to match the barrel. Then inserted the new mag tube into the stock with the mag tube plug in, and marked the centerpoint for the new dovetail on the barrel with a punch through the screw hole in the plug.

I was scared to DEATH of screwing up my barrel. So I took a plastic garage sale sign and cut out a piece, then soft-melted it over my barrel with a heat gun over the old dove-tail cut, and held it there with a clamp. With an exacto knife I cut out the shape of the dove-tail cut, then slid the plastic piece up to the new cut point and used it to mark the contours of the new dovetail.

Masked it all down and took a hacksaw to the barrel in four spots down to about 80% of the depth of the cut. Spent the next couple of hours filing with a hobby file set I picked up at Home Despot for $16. Once I got close, I went veeerrry sloowwwly, to make sure I didn't make the cut too big, measuring with the magazine tube stud itself.

Once all done, I blued all cuts with some Oxpho blue creme and assembled, adding a black nylon washer (not a perfect fit at first, had to ream out the hole) to create a gap between the mag tube and barrel, as per djh's accuracy tip. I used the existing spring and all other parts. The original spring is downright oversized for the stock mag tube.

Tube now holds 6 cartridges w. no problem, cycles like a dream. While in gunsmith mode, I also installed a breako 10 oz mercury recoil reducer in the stock (yeah, I'm a pussy) My guide gun is beautifully balanced and looks GREAT! Can't wait for the range test this weekend. Again thanks all for your tips!

 Stalker,
Also, a scout set-up is mounting a scope over the barrel with a special mount made by XS Systems and is usually a EER scope like a pistol scope. This system is used in conjuction with iron sights with QR rings for quick removal. If your just going to use this for deer or hogs, I would just use a fixed power or compact variable like a 3-7x33.

Try www.brownells.com they will have WWG acc. also and maybe no BO. Just put wild west in brownells search bar.
     
 
 







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Re: newbie ?? 1895G
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2008, 04:20:58 PM »
Stalker, here  is a picture of my wifes 45-70 scout set up. hth  Doug
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« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2008, 10:57:14 AM »
The so called "scout setup" isn't really going to get you good groups at 200 yrds.  Just put a Bushnell 2-7x32 3200 Elite on it.
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« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2008, 01:41:26 PM »
I agree with swampman, a scout set-up won't get you great groups at 200 yds but a 2-7x33 will. Again, whats your application, deer or what.
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« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2008, 04:44:56 PM »
The Leupold I have on mine is ok.  I bought it before I discovered the Bushnell 3200s.

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Re: newbie ?? 1895G
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2008, 09:14:04 PM »
Well I not a scope fan can't use them very well.is the rifle able to group well at that range? I normally shoot black powder and can clover leaf at 100 yrds and get 1-1.5 in. groups at 150 yrds shooting round ball with my .62 cal rifle.I plan on hunting whitetail,elk,bear,and pig with the 45/70 but I was curious about how far out I could get with it.

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« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2008, 12:34:49 AM »
I doubt you'll get 1"-1.5" groups at 150 yards with the Marlin.  It is a very accurate gun, but few hunting rifles (even bolt actions) will shoot those kind of groups.  I've never seen a muzzleloader that could, and I've been shooting with some of the best shots in the country for years.

If you're that good of a shot, I wouldn't bother with a scope.
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Re: newbie ?? 1895G
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2008, 04:45:02 AM »
I know someone who sent their Marlin Guide gun to this place

http://www.brockmansrifles.com/

I think they also sell parts there as well as do the work.  Looks like they have larger levers for gloves as well.
The guy I know that sent his Gide gun here had a pretty long wait, but it sure was nice when he got it back.  It was set up with a ghost ring, and they put a weaver mount on it to attach whatever pleases you when you fold down the ghost ring.   
Anyways, if your looking for a lager loop lever,  they would probably sell you one to install yourself, you could ask them about the magazine tube as well.