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Re: Here's A Cool Idea......
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2007, 04:17:04 AM »
I first saw this a couple of years ago.  It might work well out west in a dry climate, but here in the deep south it would either leak or sweat so bad everything would mold.

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Re: Here's A Cool Idea......
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2007, 05:26:12 PM »
Several years ago, I saw a novel underground shelter.  A buddy in Texas took me down into the "cellar", which was remarkably roomy and solid.  I asked him what the deal was, and he chuckled and said, "Well, here's the deal.  When old semi-trailers get their running gear all beat to crap, a lot of times the "box" is just fine.  They'll practically GIVE you those boxes, just to get rid of them, so I got a couple to use as storage sheds on the ranch, then I thought, 'hey, why don't I put a couple of 'em underground, for cooler temps?', and I did.  So here you are.  Strong doors, layers of insulation, and flat floors.  All you gotta do is dig a great big hole!"

I thought that was pretty cool.  Of course, he left out the part about getting the stuff to your property, placing it in the hole, etc., but hey, if you're inventive enough to build a shelter, you'll find a way...

Incidentally, if you go to the FEMA website, you can get good  disaster planning info at:  http://www.fema.gov/plan/index.shtm, as well as in-depth training on radioactive emergencies at:  http://training.fema.gov/EMIWeb/IS/is3.asp   

The best way to take this training course is to first download the test, and print it out.  Then sign on and take the test, filling in the answers as you go.  At the end of the course, you'll have the same basic education on this topic as an emergency management professional! 

This Emergency Management Institute has dozens of online courses that are FREE, and are even college-accredited in some places.  It's a good way to get in touch with what the government will be doing during major disasters.  This can be a big help in planning escape routes, communication plans, etc. 

Believe it or not, the Feds are working on plans that make sense, if everybody will "play nice".  Here in rural Indiana, our local responders do a professional job, and would never make a hash of things like the leaders in New Orleans did.  And you can bet none of our citizens will be huddled on a roof, waiting for government helicopters to rescue them!  Unfortunately, because of a few unprepared people, who expect the feds to rescue them from every conceivable problem, the rest of us are going to have to obey a new mountain of paperwork that tries to ensure that we're all doing the right things; things that many, if not most, places were already doing.

Sorry for the rant.  I'm involved in emergency management, and it frosts me when people blame everybody but themselves for a lack of preparedness....   

That's why I like you guys!    ;D







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Re: Here's A Cool Idea......
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2007, 05:55:02 PM »
Insulated cargo containers work better than semi trailers do. Semi trailer roofs only stand up to a few thousand pounds. Take a look at the freight containers at a port some time, and consider how each one of them can weigh up around 60,000 pounds.

A stack 6 high might mean 5 x 60,000 on the bottom container. 300,000 pounds.

You'd have to patch and tar the outside before burying it, of course.

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Re: Here's A Cool Idea......
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2007, 03:32:17 AM »
Can you explain "patch and tar"? 

I'm curious about what happens (moisture and decay wise) underground, and have no building experience to draw on.

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Re: Here's A Cool Idea......
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2007, 05:32:02 PM »
Patch any holes and paint it with some sort of tar to protect the skin and insulation from water.

I've heard there's stainless steel insulated containers and the ones I've seen close up look aluminum skinned. The dry containers I've seen have been iron or steel and rust where they get scratched, and rust around the bottom edge of the sides, too.

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Re: Here's A Cool Idea......
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2008, 12:29:11 AM »
All the ideas shared and discussed here I think are worth while, but I wonder what originally inspired Walton Feed's "idea."  That underground storage shelter looks a lot like the fallout shelters designed by the 'Utah Civil Defense Volunteers' I used to know about ten years ago.  Actually Walton's ideas and the UT Civil Volunteers' ideas would compliment one another VERY WELL.

Many of the 'Volunteer's' are Mormons and espouse personal responsibility/preparedness.  And yes, the UT Civil Volunteers were/are still concerned about nuclear attack and fallout.  Walton Feeds is a great source to buy commodities and food stuffs for long term storage - as well as bulk storage/grains for that part of the country (southeast Idaho and surrounding regions).

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Re: Here's A Cool Idea......
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2008, 12:48:55 AM »
Went back and looked at the whole article, and Utah Civil Defense Volunteers indeed combined talents with Walton's!

The two shelters I was able to "tour" were fallout shelters built in Salt Lake Valley and privately owned by the families that built them.  One was a refurbished underground gasoline storage tank (about 9' diameter and 28' long, painted with food-grade enamel after being cleaned and prepped inside).  The other was made from galvanized 10' culvert pipe, about 40 feet long.  To serve as fallout shelters, the top of the shelter needs to be 4 - 6 feet below ground for the soil to naturally stop all alpha, beta, or gamma radiation.

Of course what nuclear dangers people might face after a nuclear war would depend where in the country they lived, whether close to target areas and population centers, etc.  And where a person lived regarding fallout patterns down-wind of where a device or bomb went off.

Chernobyl is a great example to study regarding what long-term radiation does to a city, but also how a city decays back to nature when abandoned by humans.

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Re: Here's A Cool Idea......
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2008, 07:12:28 AM »
Insulated cargo containers work better than semi trailers do. Semi trailer roofs only stand up to a few thousand pounds. Take a look at the freight containers at a port some time, and consider how each one of them can weigh up around 60,000 pounds.

A stack 6 high might mean 5 x 60,000 on the bottom container. 300,000 pounds.

You'd have to patch and tar the outside before burying it, of course.

The weight is carries on the corner posts and side walls. Many of the containers have a tarp for the top so it is possible to remove the top and load/unload the contents with a crane.

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Re: Here's A Cool Idea......
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2008, 06:19:55 AM »
Depends on where you are, I guess. Too much rain around here. Around here, stuff is either inside a covered box or on a flat.

It's worth remembering that some containers are open topped, though, because that's sure as anything what I'd end up with if I wasn't paying attention.