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« Reply #30 on: May 16, 2003, 05:54:54 AM »
First i must say this fantasy ballistics for the 500 S&W are very interesting.Rest asurred and make no mistake about it,the 500 S&W will never exceed the 45/70 with same weight bullets.Why its very simple.The 500 S&W is a pistol round,that holds no where near the powder of the 45/70.Thats a fact.Anything else is just make believe,cause it just ain't true.
Second reality check, the 45/70 will send a 405gr bullet at  over 2100fps, with 22inn barrel as done by Jackfish on marlin site.You know that Buckeye and choose to quote low ballistics for the 45/70,anyway.
Forget the 500 S&W,cause we already have the 450 Alaskan and 50 Alaskan and 510 Kodiak Express that will eat it(500S&W) up and spit it out.

500S&W        440gr  1900fps(inflated)
450 Alaskan  500gr  2005fps-4465fpe
50 Alaskan    453gr  2015fps-4053fpe
45/70            405gr  2100fps-4000fpe
510KE           453gr  2323fps-5423fpe
416-284MC    400gr  2200fps-4298fpe

A pistol round can not or will not ever exceed the ballistics of a full blown rifle cartridge!

Thats the bottom line,cause Stone cold said so!!!




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« Reply #31 on: May 22, 2003, 02:41:22 PM »
No more safeties, 1895 (non-guide gun, 22" barrel without ports in stainless), and a .30-30 cowboy.

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« Reply #32 on: May 22, 2003, 05:56:06 PM »
Isn't this how we (our soldiers) ended up with the 9mm, and .223 rather than the .45 and .308/.30-06? Looks good on paper.....kid, but I will stick to anything that has some years behind it. I like the new cartridge fads going on, leaves the pawn shops full of levers for cowboys like me!

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« Reply #33 on: May 25, 2003, 06:50:47 AM »
The .45-70 can launch a 405 gr. bullet at 2,100 fps from a 22" barrel?
Who did this?
A munitions factory with calibrated equipment? A firearms maker with a large staff of ballisticians?
What kind of pressures does this produce?
Was this load fired in a Marlin, or the much-stronger Ruger No. 1 or 3?
I have my doubts about the statment of 2,100 fps for a 405 gr. bullet from the Marlin's 22-inch barrel.
I've been reloading for my Marlin 1895 since I bought it in 1977. The oft-quoted load of 53.0 grains of IMR3031 under a 405 gr. is too much for my particular Marlin. Cases are bulged around the web and primers are flattened. This load produces about 1,800 fps in my Marlin.
I know that there was a huge controversy over in the Marlin site, regarding obviously dangerous loads posted by someone who reloads for the .45-70. It continues to raise a ruckus. Readers were warned that these loads are almost certainly dangerous, despite the poster's claim.
I'd be very suspicious, and leery, of anyone who claims to get 2,100 fps with 405 gr. bullet in the Marlin with a 22" barrel.
And if they do get it, I doubt very much they get it SAFELY.
I wish people would stop trying to make a .458 Winchester Magnum out of the .45-70. Before all this "Magnumitis" infected the .45-70 community, hunters had been taking all kinds of big game with the .45-70 and its big, 405 gr. bullet at about 1,300 fps in factory loads.
Myself, when I vacation at my cabin in British Columbia, Canada, I load my Marlin with the Lyman 457193 hard-cast 420 gr. bullet at about 1,650 feet per second for bear medicine. My cabin's in grizzly country. I've never had the occasion to use it and hope I don't.
But I've seen how this bullet penetrates in wooden and have no doubts it will do the job IF PLACED CORRECTLY.
For dangerous game, I want a load that will deliver the goods but doesn't have so much recoil that my barrel is pointing skyward should I need a crucial, second shot.
The 405 gr. at 2,100 fps in a Marlin? I doubt it can be SAFELY done.
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« Reply #34 on: May 25, 2003, 05:51:33 PM »
Quote from: Gatofeo
The .45-70 can launch a 405 gr. bullet at 2,100 fps from a 22" barrel?
Who did this?
A munitions factory with calibrated equipment? A firearms maker with a large staff of ballisticians?
What kind of pressures does this produce?
Was this load fired in a Marlin, or the much-stronger Ruger No. 1 or 3?
I have my doubts about the statment of 2,100 fps for a 405 gr. bullet from the Marlin's 22-inch barrel.
I've been reloading for my Marlin 1895 since I bought it in 1977. The oft-quoted load of 53.0 grains of IMR3031 under a 405 gr. is too much for my particular Marlin. Cases are bulged around the web and primers are flattened. This load produces about 1,800 fps in my Marlin.
I know that there was a huge controversy over in the Marlin site, regarding obviously dangerous loads posted by someone who reloads for the .45-70. It continues to raise a ruckus. Readers were warned that these loads are almost certainly dangerous, despite the poster's claim.
I'd be very suspicious, and leery, of anyone who claims to get 2,100 fps with 405 gr. bullet in the Marlin with a 22" barrel.
And if they do get it, I doubt very much they get it SAFELY.
I wish people would stop trying to make a .458 Winchester Magnum out of the .45-70. Before all this "Magnumitis" infected the .45-70 community, hunters had been taking all kinds of big game with the .45-70 and its big, 405 gr. bullet at about 1,300 fps in factory loads.
Myself, when I vacation at my cabin in British Columbia, Canada, I load my Marlin with the Lyman 457193 hard-cast 420 gr. bullet at about 1,650 feet per second for bear medicine. My cabin's in grizzly country. I've never had the occasion to use it and hope I don't.
But I've seen how this bullet penetrates in wooden and have no doubts it will do the job IF PLACED CORRECTLY.
For dangerous game, I want a load that will deliver the goods but doesn't have so much recoil that my barrel is pointing skyward should I need a crucial, second shot.
The 405 gr. at 2,100 fps in a Marlin? I doubt it can be SAFELY done.
Oh by the way it was 2150fps from a 22in Marlin with 405gr.Also it was done by the king of the 45/70s and Marlin Master Jackfish.You are welcome to come over to the Marlin site and ask Jackfish about it.I assure he knows more than most  about the 45/70 and can back up anything he says with facts.He is somewhat of a legend on the Marlin Site,and is not one to be second guessed. He will tell you it is a safe load in his rifle,and to work your way up to it .He was one of the main ones attacking T/C Kid for posting 458win Mag loads for the 45/70.He is not one to post loads that he has not shot or would be dangerous to shoot.Thats the bottom line.Enforcer
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« Reply #35 on: May 26, 2003, 03:35:20 PM »
Get rid of the 35 Rem? I Don't think SO!! :x
 I can do with out most of my rifles and hand guns but my 35 Rem is one  that I will never get rid of..!!!
 I would be very interisted if Marlin would come out with a .500
and would probably add one to my collection.
 I wouldn't take a .500 for my 35 though. :D

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« Reply #36 on: July 13, 2003, 04:04:12 PM »
one of the problems with getting rid of 35rem is all i have ever seen have been extreme tack drivers for a lever action that rivals most bolt guns. my cousins will touch holes at 100yds as long as shooter can

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« Reply #37 on: July 15, 2003, 12:13:05 PM »
:grin:  Hi:

  I would like to see marlin come out with a rifle chambered in the .300 Savage with a rotary or clip magazine.

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« Reply #38 on: July 15, 2003, 03:55:11 PM »
Anyone who does not own or has not shot a .35 rem has missed out on the best kept secret in leverguns!  Not the biggest or the fastest, it just gets the job done.  First time and everytime.  All of these new ctgs seem to be designed to sell new guns.  I guess that is not all bad.  I like new guns.  But get rid of my .35rem, never!    44 Man
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« Reply #39 on: July 15, 2003, 04:16:25 PM »
While almost everyone is breathing hot and heavy over the latest dinosaur stomper, I would like to go back to a kinder, gentler cartridge, the 25-36 Marlin. Just think, a .257 117 grain flatnose cruising at a mind-boggling 2100 fps.  While I am fantasizing, I would add a half magazine, pistol grip and restrained checkering on a oil-finished walnut stock. :-D