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Offline STUMPJMPR

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Questions About Gunstock Finish????
« on: April 29, 2008, 04:06:29 AM »
Can anyone tell me what was used for gunstocks from the late 60's through the late 70's.  I have a few winchester guns and the finish held up alot better than most when my house flooded.  Does linseed oil ever build into a hard outer shell or does the wood always have a soft feel to it?

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Re: Questions About Gunstock Finish????
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2008, 04:37:38 AM »
Can anyone tell me what was used for gunstocks from the late 60's through the late 70's.  I have a few winchester guns and the finish held up alot better than most when my house flooded.  Does linseed oil ever build into a hard outer shell or does the wood always have a soft feel to it?

I really do think that the application of the Linseed is the key. Mine is a labor of love that can be time intensive but time does have a way of passing quickly.
What I like to do is to use the linseed very sparingly (perhaps six drops for a full stock) and rub it in by hand until it cannot be felt anymore. The stock is then buffed out well with a clean soft cloth. This is done (by myself) a couple times a month but usually coincides with cleaning. Over time, the piece will develop a hard, microscopic, high gloss finish. Advantages are that light scratches from honest usage can often be buffed out after this (never ending) treatment.

You can get a high quality finish from other advertised sources. This can be a five coat application from a said professional with the ingredients of the mixture being a closely guarded trade secret. (read expensive)
Hope this helps you out some. Mine is just an example of poor folk having poor ways but I really do like that wood.
I have had fair results using the right sand paper followed up by a good tack cloth to remove all dust and then using something as simple as Formby's stain followed up by their appropriate top coating on a few rimfires that had decent walnut stocks.
My linseed treated American Walnut really will knock your eyes out though and no, I have never really had a problem with high gloss scaring off game.

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Re: Questions About Gunstock Finish????
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2008, 04:45:35 AM »
I like a little gloss...I am refinishing an old shotgun now with boiled linseed oil i'm on about coat number 7 i  have been on this for about 2 weeks.  The wood still feels soft to the touch...I don't really care for the Tru-Oil like some people.  I used it one time with good results but i'm not a fan of it...I'm thinking about top coating the linseed with tung oil which i have seen some people do....The linseed oil has given the wood a very nice color....

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Re: Questions About Gunstock Finish????
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2008, 06:01:49 AM »
It has been a few years but my brother had purchased a new Franchi auto with a finish that had the appearance of plastic even though there was beautiful French walnut underneath!
His hunting partner had a shotgun with a likewise finish and they ended up stripping and refinishing them at the same time.

I do not know what kind of oils or techniques that they used but do know that they built a hard wood drying box for those stocks and used a hairdryer that was placed in a port at the end of the box to do the actual drying in between coats. My brothers turned out very good but there is a lot of unknown variables about this procedure such as venting or how long the stocks would be left in between coatings.
I know that they did have to have a procedure though...specially since they went through the trouble of building that box. Perhaps something can be found on line?

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Re: Questions About Gunstock Finish????
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2008, 08:05:57 AM »
We've talked about this before but here it is again. None of the oil finishes (tung, linseed, etc.) are water proof. They resist water to a greater or lesser extent but they will discolor and moisture will get through, Plastic read polyurethane, is water proof, It does not however penetrate wood worth a hoot..   It sets on top and if penetrated by a scratch will pop loose and flake off.. The advantage of oil is they are easy to repair and the tend to show case the wood a bit IMHO.. To keep the moisture out of oil type finishes.. the surface is best coated bu wax. Any good carnuba bearing wax will do just fine. Poly finishes are tough and provide a lot of protection but have to be repaired as one would an automobile finish.. and they will flake off.. I've been playing with a new technique for applying a material that I've used for years but just as an in the wood type finish for military type stocks. It's called 'OKENE' and contains linseed oil, tung oil and the pine oil. It's chief advantage is that it doesn't tend to wear shiny! I know that sounds weird but it is true, to an extent.  The pine oil is new to me at least and applied to a hot piece of wood it does work.. It takes a bit more time but does produce a nice finish..  Also about boiled linseed oil.. In applying it to a stock you may have a long wait for it to dry. A lot depends on how much dryers were added which is what the boiled part refers to. Don't equate 'boiled' to the militaries practice of literally immersing wood stocks in a vat of heated oil to protect them from the rigors of the battlefield. Linseed oil will eventually oxidize to a very dark greasy feeling coat but will soften and feel sticky to the touch in hot weather.. TruOil, Lin-Speed etc. use one or more of the common oils and artificial dryers to force the oil to set up hard. Tung oil will set up hard on it's own but tends to check if applied alone and subjected to high heat situations..read trunk of a car.. TruOil is a great compromise.. but as all oils must be protected but wax to maintain high water repellent. In the period from the 60's thru current Remington used mostly a polyurethane they called RKW. It's propritory and was developed to protect bowling pins.. some notably Savage and some other cheaper firearms used a sprayed on lacquer finish.  Lacquer was origianlly a natural material derived from insects but most modern versions are sybthetics. They are very hard and some what brittle. They also seem somewhat prone to checking and flaking. They're chief advantages are ease of application and low price.. Prior to 1964 Winchester used an oil based varnish (read TruOil-Lin-Speed) protected by wax.. After the 1964 debacle most Winchester carried lacquer or polyurethane finishes, depending on year and model..
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Re: Questions About Gunstock Finish????
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2008, 09:08:22 AM »
You got some good info gunnut.  The main question i could never seem to find is would i get any kind of surface build with linseed oil.  From what I have been researching this pretty hard the last few days and pretty much answered my own questions.  After reading another forum it appears the finish i was referring to was probably a type of varnish more than anything.   I have used tru-oil and polyurethane in the past i did get some nice results but wasn't exactly pleased.  I like the color the linseed oil has left on my stock but like you said it doesn't offer much protection.  I like the appearance of a tung oil finish. I have seen some nice finishes using oil/varnish mixes made by different manufactures.  Another forum i was reading said lacquer was too hard and cracked.  These guys were repairing milsurp rifles and they seemed to be real fond of shellac.  It did produce a nice finish but it was removable with alcohol.  As far as the natural oil finishes go these guys tended to swing in the favor of tung oil.

Here is the link these guys have alot of useful information if you care to read.

http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforums.yuku.com/forum/view/id/101