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Offline Chris Potts

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Got my molds today
« on: April 21, 2008, 04:09:17 PM »
I got my molds today.  Thanks for a quality product and great service.  I really can't wait to try them out.  I got a .452 lfn for my 1911, a 180 fngc for my 357 mag blackhawk and 1894 marlin, and a 180 fn gop for my 357 max tc encore carbine.  I've got molds for every gun that I own now, but when I look at the sale list I think that I just need more guns.

I take that back I don't have a mold for my muzzleloader.  Can I use a 300 gr .452 lfngc (mold 137 on the list) in a sabot for my .50 caliber muzzleloader.  I was never quite sure if a grooved bullet caused any problems in a sabot.  I would like to pick up a blackhawk in 45 LC so I could use it in both.  I think that I would like to stay with the lfn.  I see that you also have a 280 gr. lfngc (#136) which weight would you recommend.

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Re: Got my molds today
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2008, 05:22:28 PM »
  Muzzleloaders and sabots  really thrive on smooth sided bullets with a slight bevel base.  I've made quite a few of them.

  However, since you want to use it in a revolver too, grooved bullets shoot just as accurate as smooth if you don't load them to max, which isn't needed anyhow with a 45 cal LFN.  280 gr is an excellent weight.  300 gr may be optimum for the muzzle loader, bu you'd have to have the two side by side and do some serious comparison work to see the difference.

  If you choose a gas check design, to favor the revolver, it will work fine in the sabots with the checks left off.  Harvester bullets for muzzleloaders are my LFN.
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Re: Got my molds today
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2008, 06:04:29 PM »
Veral,

I just emailed you.  I think that I sent it more than once on accident.  Sorry about that.  I have used the harvesters and wast very impressed.  I wasn't looking for max velocity so it sounds like that should work good.  I also emailed you about a mold for a 45/70.  I don't have a gun at the present but would like to get one in the near future.  Probably a marlin but maybe just a barrel for my encore.  I wouldn't load it to max in either gun (1500-1700fps maybe less with the heavier bullets).  I was looking a your "m" bullets. I was wondering what you weight you would reccommend.  If the heavier bullets would give better accuracy and still stabilize in reduced loads (1000-1100 fps), I would probably go with the 450 or 500.

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Re: Got my molds today
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2008, 09:49:48 AM »
  If you weren't impressed by the Harvesters it may have been either poor quality castings, or the fact that they have cheapened thier carefully developed sabots, which gave awsome performance when they were first developed with the work of Al Marion, who I worked with in developing the bullets.  He hand casted all his, and enjoyed precison grouping.

  Something i've never figgured out is.  Why on earth to the sabot makers all put huge cups or hollow bases on soft plastic cups to gt them to seal, when the two biggest problems they have is too much obturation pressure against the bore, which caused plastic fouling, and when they exit the muzzle the thin cup base flares out like a mushroomed bullet, which produces far from a square bullet base for the gallons of black powder smoke to squirt around and tip the bullet sideways. 

  If some one of you readers has a lathe at your command, would you try turning the bases flat and putting a slight bevel on the edge of a couple brands of sabots with the big cups.  Don't flatten them completely.  Just take perhaps half the cup off, so the wad of plastic below the bullet remains quite thick and strong. 

  If anyone does try this, please let all the readers know.  By the way, the easiest way to turn them would be on a mandril which is turned dead true on the lathe.  Slide the sabot on, then a metal sleeve over it to clamp the sabots firmly in place full length, except for the base portion that will be machined.  Don't remove the mandrel from the lathe to remove the sabots.  Just slide the sleeve off and the sabot will come off with it.
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Re: Got my molds today
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2008, 01:26:17 PM »
Sorry about the confusion.  I meant to type that I WAS impressed with the harvesters.  I hit an extra key on accident.

Chris