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Re: What do you use a 357 carbine for?
« Reply #30 on: June 08, 2008, 07:31:06 AM »
I've got an 1894C that I wouldn't trade for ANY rifle.  Got it at Big 5 and I love the fact that the stock has no checkering.  I shoot alot of targets and plinkers(...um...I like to plink, that is) with it and love .38's with 125 gr. LRNFP over a 1.0 cc scoop of IMR TrailBoss.  I bought mine too to get into Cowboy Action stuff but couldn't find a club nearby.   I shoot probably 250 rds. per week and I'll shoot some +p's once in a while for a bigger "boom"  but I've never owned a rifle I've enjoyed more.  It is spot-on accurate at 75 yds.  That's about the distance I love the most.  I also like that it can be shot very comfortably without hearing protection...(wifey likes that, too) it's about as loud as a .22 LR out of a rifle but just a little lower pitch to the sound.  I like to hear the full effect of the "crack" and the "thwap" at the other end!  I load with a little Lee Hand Press and some Lee carbide pistol dies...I feel like I'm set.  I really haven't done much with actual .357 ammo, haven't felt the need...I'm a S&W .38 CCW shooter, too, so, this is a perfect combo for me.  I had a .357 Winnie 94 compact for a while and sold it (dumb) because it kept getting the .38's stuck up under the lever mechanism.  I think the Marlin action is a major improvement over the Winchester '94 action ( I know the '94 action wasn't designed for pistol caliber cartridges).
Anyway, buy one if you haven't already, you can't go wrong.

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Re: What do you use a 357 carbine for?
« Reply #31 on: June 08, 2008, 10:09:55 AM »
DO NOT assume you can safely (for your ears) shoot that rifle with no hearing protection. Even a .22LR and certainly your Marlin will eventually make you deaf. That's an old mistake many of us old farts made in the days of our youth and it's just plain false thinking that is gonna make you deaf. When your ears ring 24/7 like mine you'll wish you'd have listened to such advice but then it will be too late.


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Re: What do you use a 357 carbine for?
« Reply #32 on: June 08, 2008, 10:20:22 AM »
DO NOT assume you can safely (for your ears) shoot that rifle with no hearing protection. Even a .22LR and certainly your Marlin will eventually make you deaf. That's an old mistake many of us old farts made in the days of our youth and it's just plain false thinking that is gonna make you deaf. When your ears ring 24/7 like mine you'll wish you'd have listened to such advice but then it will be too late.

Don't I know it. I was young and bullet proof to hearing loss. Now, when the ears aren't ringing, they are searching for sounds that cannot be heard very well anymore.
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Re: What do you use a 357 carbine for?
« Reply #33 on: June 08, 2008, 11:08:54 AM »
DEE, you said you hunt hogs with your 92 rossi?  How big are the hogs?  I've been on the hog hunters site and it looks to me like a 44 mag would be about the smallest I would want to use.  My Rossi is one like yours with the 24" Oct. barrel, heavy but it "hangs" real good on the target.  I'm going to replace the cresent butt plate off, the points really dig into my shoulder.  I think it's smaller than the ones on my muzzleloaders, they don't bother me.  Did you slick yours up or just let it wear in smoother?  I had to get a taller front sight as I couldn't get it on target.  Also have a Marlin 357 and a Handi 357, really like them all.  DP.
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Re: What do you use a 357 carbine for?
« Reply #34 on: June 08, 2008, 11:33:57 AM »
DO NOT assume you can safely (for your ears) shoot that rifle with no hearing protection. Even a .22LR and certainly your Marlin will eventually make you deaf. That's an old mistake many of us old farts made in the days of our youth and it's just plain false thinking that is gonna make you deaf. When your ears ring 24/7 like mine you'll wish you'd have listened to such advice but then it will be too late.

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Re: What do you use a 357 carbine for?
« Reply #35 on: June 08, 2008, 11:47:31 AM »
DEE, you said you hunt hogs with your 92 rossi?  How big are the hogs?  I've been on the hog hunters site and it looks to me like a 44 mag would be about the smallest I would want to use.  My Rossi is one like yours with the 24" Oct. barrel, heavy but it "hangs" real good on the target.  I'm going to replace the cresent butt plate off, the points really dig into my shoulder.  I think it's smaller than the ones on my muzzleloaders, they don't bother me.  Did you slick yours up or just let it wear in smoother?  I had to get a taller front sight as I couldn't get it on target.  Also have a Marlin 357 and a Handi 357, really like them all.  DP.

dpe.ahoy, last year I killed a boar that weighed about 300 with a 52 grain match hollow point out of my M4. Hogs are not hard to kill, but the myth grows on the Internet.
When I was a kid back in the fifties, small kill houses all over the south used a 22 rifle to kill everything from hogs to cattle for butchering.
If you get into the neck area on a hog you usually get an INSTANT down to stay reaction. Thru the ribs sometimes in a wet year when feed is good the fat will partly close the hole leaving little blood they say. I have never had to trail one I shot, but have had to finish hogs others made poor shots on.
I use a 158 grain jacketed soft point loaded to about 1900fps in my Rossi, and I believe it will do anything my 3030 Winchester will do inside a hundred yards, and the 3030 I have owned since it was new in 1957.
As for slicking up the action, yes I did, I have been a gunsmith for years, but I also drilled and tapped the receiver and mounted a Lyman aperture sight on it just like the one that has been on my Model 94 for over 30 years. I have a post front sight on both rifles and they are sighted in almost the same with the 3030 having about an extra hundred yards more range.
I shot a coyote about 2 months ago with the Model 92 at about 160 yards, and my wife said she had never seen anything fall so fast. It will out shoot my Model 94 off the bench but, the 94 is no slouch. With the Lyman sight the front sight is MUCH lower, and you may shoot it ghost ring with the aperture removed or screw in the target aperture for tighter shots on paper.
It ain't a real Winchester but it to me is about as good. I refinished the stock and forearm to match my 51 year old Winchester, and with the wear on both, they look about the same. When I stripped it I was surprised to find a pretty piece of Walnut on both the stock and forearm.
But back to the hogs. They have been here since the Spaniards and it is funny to see out of state rs come to hunt them with everything from 3006s to 300 Win Mags. I have friends that for years have killed them with knives using catch dogs. I use a Jack Russell and a lot of quite walking into the wind. I have often caught them sleepin under cedars, and just executed them. Sporting? Try getting that close to a hog without him hearing you. They are smarter and wilder than a whitetail, and mostly nocturnal.
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Re: What do you use a 357 carbine for?
« Reply #36 on: June 09, 2008, 11:57:08 AM »
I think there's a differance between killing a barn yard pig and a wild boar. True wild boar are significantly harder to kill then an escaped barn yard pig. WIld boar have thick almost cartilage type barrier to protect their vitals. This comes genetically because of the tusks and fighting. This has been selectivly bread out of our domesticated pig stock.

In any case, I do beleive you can kill a wild boar with a 357 mag. Range limited and with the correct bullet, say a cast core will do the trick.
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Re: What do you use a 357 carbine for?
« Reply #37 on: June 10, 2008, 01:25:36 PM »
What would you call the one I kneeled over in my avatar. I grew up around wild hogs, and domestic ones. The one in my avatar weighs about 300 lbs, 2 inch plus hair, and 2 1/2 inch cutters. Note the rifle I am holding, and be advised it is the one I killed him with. One shot! 52 grain, boattail, match hollow point. Yes, they have what we call armor (thicker hide) on the shoulders, are light in the hams, and long headed, but they react to a bullet the same way anything else does.
Whether tame or wild, hog or horse, a gun shot wound is a gun shot wound.
In 1954 I had a domestic sow try to shred me over a litter of pigs, and I have cornered the wild ones in the brush. Both seemed pretty damned determined.
We can tell our stories where the fish are bigger, the bears are more ferocious, the antlers wider, the mountains higher, and the hogs tougher if we want, but the people that have fished for them, hunted for them, and climbed them all their lives know better. That makes for the story teller to look foolish in their eyes.
You can kill a BIG "WILD" hog with a knife if you have the nerve, or a 458 Win Mag. It's a name your poison game, and it isn't as mystical as some want it to be.
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Re: What do you use a 357 carbine for?
« Reply #38 on: June 10, 2008, 04:31:15 PM »
Dee, what powder do you use for the 158's?  I've gone to LilGun from H-110 and like it better.  Picked up some Nosler 180 Sil. for 10cents each.  Thought I would see how they work at 357 speeds, may have to go to 357 Max or 35 Rem to get them to open.  Just couldn't pass up the price, will just use for noise if nothing else.  DP.
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Re: What do you use a 357 carbine for?
« Reply #39 on: June 11, 2008, 05:02:48 AM »
Dee, what powder do you use for the 158's?  I've gone to LilGun from H-110 and like it better.  Picked up some Nosler 180 Sil. for 10cents each.  Thought I would see how they work at 357 speeds, may have to go to 357 Max or 35 Rem to get them to open.  Just couldn't pass up the price, will just use for noise if nothing else.  DP.

Am still using H-110, but have thought about trying Lil Gun. I started loaded the 357 mag, in 1971, and have used everything from Bullseye, Unique, to Al-7. The H-110 is pretty good, and I have a supply, so I will have to wait on the Lil Gun.
I haven't tried any 180s, I'm kind of a rut kind of a guy. I sight in for what works for me, and seldom ever change.
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Re: What do you use a 357 carbine for?
« Reply #40 on: June 11, 2008, 04:20:50 PM »
My 1894c is one of the few guns that I have ever found to shoot factory loads better than reloads (at least the thousands of combonations I have tried) I shoot winchester 125 gr silvertips and have killed deer and hogs with repeated bang, flop results.  I have killed one deer at 128 yards and he dropped in his tracks. I have killed hogs at 100-110 yards with the same results many times. I own many guns and this is by far my favorite short range gun

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Re: What do you use a 357 carbine for?
« Reply #41 on: June 11, 2008, 04:28:32 PM »
By the way Cabin4 the "shield"has not been bred out of domestic hogs if they are allowed to grow and fight they will get the same thick "shield" as like you said it is fat that has repeatedly pounded and cut becoming scar tissue   Most domestic male pigs are casterated nd become sausage long before they have a chance to develop this