Are foreign made H&R/NEFs in your future?

[plumberroy]

Hell no!!!

[tstetz]

under Clinton's executive order i don't think that Chinese are allowed to ship guns to the u.s....

I forgot about that. It banned rifle and pistol importation if I recall correctly. That's why the only Chicom guns you see imported currently are shotguns.

That doesn't mean they couldn't go elsewhere (Russia or Turkey perhaps) but it shouldn't end up China.

While I dearly hate seeing the current plan closed I am holding out hope that they just shift to another U.S. plant. They're already doing barrels at one of the Marlin plants aren't they?? Maybe all the tooling will go there?

[nomosendero]

Foreign NEF products are NOT in my future. I understand the consolidation part for the reasons I stated in the consolidation thread, but I would not support Rem. in any way if the NEF is moved overseas. I don't like "what if" questions very much, but I wanted
to take part in the poll.

[blackpowderbill]

Were all sitting here kvetching like its a done deal. I have yet to see anything  that has H&R single shot weapons being made overseas. They got their repeating shotguns from overseas most likely because they already were on the market and the price was right. If I remember right the pump shotgun a few years back was a decent copy (ChiCom) of a Rem 870 with a longer mag tube. I had seen them and thought them well done considering the cost. For what they cost at the time there was no way they could be made in the US. This is good business on the part of H&R. A decent quality US made pump would have cost what a decent US made pump was already costing. That part of the market was already taken (Rem, Win, Moss), the lower end market was still open and that is what H&R was aiming for.
  I seriously doubt Rem is going to drop it's US made weapons in favour of imports. It may well augment the line with imports, as it has already done but this just gives us more to choose from. Right now if I want a single shot I can choose from H&R's line, the Russian/ Spartan IZH18 or go for broke and get a Rem Rollig Block. What's not to like? If you do not want an imported gun then don't buy one. No one is making any one buy something hey don't want.

[BAGTIC]

"It's their company now...and they can and will do as they see fit...but..besides angry calls & letters of protest...we can do a hell of a lot more to show them just how we feel...and that is simply not to buy anything from them...and when a company realizes that enough folks are telling them they won't buy any of their products...not just the NEF's because of what they are doing...they tend to listen more... so be sure to tell them that...because they do sell other things besides the NEF's..."

And what to do if Remington decides the whole thing is more headache than it wants and simply turns around and simply sells H&R/NEF to the Chinese, lock stock and barrel.

Let's get real self righteous and not buy any gas or oil without proof that it is 100% American origin and refined. What about those people driving cars with a gadzillion imported parts in them, or imported food, or clothing. What about all the clothes and electronics and the list goes on.

The world is what it is and life goes on and throwing childish temper tantrums is not going to change it.

[Ireload2]

Average manufacturing pay including benefits is $.47 per hour.

[dpe.ahoy]

Not at all happy about people losing jobs,  , BUT if anyone thinks they have a 100% made american vehicle, TV, computer or anything else. you really need to check it out.  Hell, my 02 Chevy was made in Canada.   When I turn a wrench on my 04 chevy duramax I have to keep goin to metric.  I don't like it but even most clothing is made out of the country.  Facts of life and economy.  Can't get away from it no matter which way you turn.  And yes I am going to send a thank you card as well as a letter to the folks at NEF/H&R.  It does P--- me off!  DP.

[ECV Slick]

The problem will ultimately be “self-correcting”.  For example:

1) American company moves manufacturing off-shore (to increase profit through lower labor costs).
2) American company puts American citizens out of work.
3) American public – no longer employed cannot buy product of American company.
4) American company goes out of business due to loss of American customers & sales.

What it comes down to is that far too many corporate financial planners fail to plan ahead of the coming “quarter’s profits”.  While a company may see a temporary increase in profits from this poor long-range decision making, they are dooming themselves in the long run.  Dump your stock shares early!

[Jack Ryan]

If you do not want an imported gun then don't buy one. No one is making any one buy something hey don't want.

May be I'm reading a different thread, but it appears to that is exactly what people are saying. They don't want one and they are not going to buy one.

[Jack Ryan]

Not at all happy about people losing jobs,  , BUT if anyone thinks they have a 100% made american vehicle, TV, computer or anything else. you really need to check it out.  Hell, my 02 Chevy was made in Canada.   When I turn a wrench on my 04 chevy duramax I have to keep goin to metric.  I don't like it but even most clothing is made out of the country.  Facts of life and economy.  Can't get away from it no matter which way you turn.  And yes I am going to send a thank you card as well as a letter to the folks at NEF/H&R.  It does P--- me off!  DP.

And that defeatist apathetic attitude is exactly the reason why the multi-national mercenary corporate community feels they can "feed" the American consumer/sheep any thing they want. They'll just shrug their shoulders, dig in, chew a little harder and swallow what ever given them.

[six_gunz]

NO!!! I have one gun as of right now that wasn't made here in the USA....it's a Sig
I've been buying what I can while they're still made here in Gardner Ma.  I just picked up a Pardner Jr. .410ga for my 8yr old yesterday. $117.50 NIB

[dpe.ahoy]

The consumer votes with their $, that is what Corporate listens to.  If they can't sell something, it's dropped.  It's not defeatist, It's reality.  DP.

[knight0334]

I guess I'd switch to Thompson Center's.  It takes twice as much money though.

  China's steel isn't near as good, thats why they import so much steel from the USA, to mix with their junk they have already.... no thanks, dont want no Chinese barrels.

Just saw this thread..

That is not entirely true.   A few of the companies in China uses better steel than any of the US companies.  Norinco uses 5100 alloy steel in many of their firearms which is a much stronger steel than 4140 that many of the US manufacturers use on our "top of the line" guns.   However, they aren't as finished as well leaving one to think they of lessor quality.

I have a Norc 1911 that's steel is so hard that it wore down milling tools to make a simple .250" radius cut for a grip safety.  And the barrel is of what some companies' consider "match grade".

Norc also uses 5100 steel in many of their other firearms.

Here's a link better explaining some of the metals used.  http://forum.m1911.org/showthread.php?t=15245

[RedFalconBill]

FWIW, I am not so sure that H&R/NEF is going to go overseas...yet.

I see Cerberus as bringing together all of their firearm divisions.

Remington, in NY (roughly 1,150 people)
Remington, in NC (roughly 150 people)
Remington, in KY (roughly 120 people)
Marlin/H&R in CT and MA (roughly 575 people)
Bushmaster Custom (Iron Brigade Armory), in NC (under 5 people)
Bushmaster, ME (around 70 people)
Bushmaster, AZ (around 30 people)
Cobb, in GA (under 5 people)
DPMS, in MN (around 25 people)

I see that they be moving the material to a lower cost area or an existing area to 'leverage' production efficiencies (read either newer facilities and/or nonunion).

FN Herstal did both with Winchester.

[striker525]

Hell no!!!

+1

I would never purchase another.