2400

[BBF]

has anybody used 2400 to load cast405 or 500 gr bullets for the 45-70?

[jhalcott]

  What gun are you loading for? The 1873 Springfield is a very weak action. The T/C contender is only a bit stronger. I do have a Mauser BOLT rifle in 45-70 that I will NOT divulge MY loads for on the open net. I had an argument with a "gentleman" who put one of MY loads thru HIS Shikari break open rifle. It was not a pretty sight. I DID NOT offer the round to him !

[stimpylu32]

47-70

Alliant does list a 2400 load for the 385 grain cast but nothing that I can find for the 405 or 500 grain , you may give them a call to see if they have data not listed , there are much better powders for the 45/70 that will give better case fill and less chance of a double charge .

stimpy

[BBF]

It is for a Handi, I just happen to have some 2400 on hand that I have little use for with my present firearms. I did see the listing for the 385 gr Cast.

[jhalcott]

 That Handi is almost a copy of the Shikari I was talking about in my first post. I had an article about the 45-70 case and fast powders being a dangerous combination. It has been the cause of a couple blow ups that I've read about. Especially when letting the powder charge migrate out to the bullet.
   http://www.reloadammo.com/liteload.htm

[LONGTOM]

I am not familiar with a Shikari, have never heard of it until I heard it here.
I did recall reading in the FAQs about the strenth of a HANDI, so I went back and looked it up.
Don't know if this helps or not!
Here it is.


Re: New Guy With A Handi Rifle Question
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2007, 12:11:29 PM »   

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The Handi is factory available in .500S&W with a SAAMI maximum pressure of 60kpsi, which is 10kpsi over any Ruger #1 load. But your shoulder will tell you what loads it will handle!! 

As AZ223 mentioned, you can throat the .45-70 yourself, so you can shoot the bigger bullets, see my throating link in the FAQs, while you're in there, spend some time reading, there's lots of info there for newbies.

Tim

[Catfish]

I really don`t think you will be shooting many bullets that heavy in your Handy. For some reason they are just not real fun to shoot.

[Lone Star]

The Shikari used a cast iron receiver, the Handy uses a steel receiver.  There is no comparison in strength.  My Shikari sees Trapdoor-level loads only.

My older Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook lists these suggested starting loads for the M1886, M1895, Ruger 1 and 3:

292 - 24.0 grains 2400
330 - 23.5
385 - 23.0
405 - 22.5
482 - 21.5



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[BBF]

Thanks Lone Star, that is what I was looking for.

[jd45]

47-70, excuse me for hornin in on your thread here, but on my thread about lubing the inside of bottle-neck cases when sizing, I'd asked you if you might give a little detail regarding your comment about restrictions on velocities using cast bullets in Micro-Groove rifled barrels, & you never came back. I'd be interested to hear what you have to say when you have the time. Thanx, jd45

[BBF]

Sorry Jd, I still get lost here at times with all the many posts. Several loading manuals and articles have mentioned that shooting cast bullets in a micro groove barrel should be held to approx. 1600 fps. Apparently  the shallow rifling strips the lead bullets at higher velocities.  Nothing was said about "hardness" of the bullet. I would presume that would have some bearing on it.