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Delta Elite
« on: May 05, 2008, 09:07:57 AM »
What are the pros and cons of the Colt Delta Elite ?
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Re: Delta Elite
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2008, 02:09:15 PM »
Cons???

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Re: Delta Elite
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2008, 03:23:56 PM »
yes cons. the as pictured grip safety will pinch the web of your hand. Colt has installed proper grip safeties in the past. Why they chose this poor fitting thing is anyones guess.
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Re: Delta Elite
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2008, 12:22:14 AM »
Skoozi(short for 'excusa me'), but I thought the DEs came with a Commander type hammer and a beavertail grip safety.  The one benefit with the beavertail grip safety is that it cured the 'pinching' problem for me (at least) - before that it was duct tape, adhesive tape or even a band-aid to keep from getting bloodied. 

Is the Mikey wrong????  Yesterday may have been the Cinco de Mayo but that doesn't mean I'm a few beans short of a full taco.  True the DEs have a wicked muzzle blast and sharp recoil, will keep you deaf for decades, aren't as quick to recover for the 2nd shot as other calibers, are known for over-penetration and will make sawdust of your wrist bones after a while, but 'pinching'? 

Guess I'm just gonna have to get the ol 10mm stuff out again and see what I've been missin'. 

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Re: Delta Elite
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2008, 02:59:11 AM »
Mikey does my Memory serve me right but didnt you have some dealings with the 10 mm or such several years ago??  As I recall I have a book somewhere that I recieved from Austin Austell (aka) the advocate that had some loading info or such reguarding the 10??   JIM

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Re: Delta Elite
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2008, 04:12:12 AM »
thanks for feed back I have the chance to get a older Colt , i hear rumor that Colt has a new one on the way and several others have them on the market . I have a Glock and it is Ok but a 1911 -10 MM would be nice and so which is best ?
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Re: Delta Elite
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2008, 06:46:34 AM »
Mikey, the most recent picture I have seen on the Colt site of the Delta Elite showed a drop in 'beavertail'. Perhaps this is NOT what the Delta Elite is actually fitted with.  But, if it is, it bites; I know, I had one.
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Re: Delta Elite
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2008, 06:58:49 AM »
oops, my bad. It was not on the Colt web page. It was in the Gunblast.com web site coverage of the 2008 SHOT Show. The pictured 'beavertail' will bite your hand on each side of the tang between the frame and the 'beavertail'. Let us hope the production one fits better.
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Re: Delta Elite
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2008, 02:14:36 PM »
SharonAnne:  Ok!  Gotcha.  Now I understand.  Thanks.

Jim:  Your memory serves you correctly.  I developed a 10mm wildcat a long number of years ago.  I have always wondered how Austell got his info; he manages to find the darnest stuff you can imagine. 

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Re: Delta Elite
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2008, 02:11:03 AM »
Mikey I havent heard from him for awhile, I need to drop him a note, did you also recieve one of the books  he had written?  Jim

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Re: Delta Elite
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2008, 01:34:23 PM »
JIm - I think I have gone through one of his and I think I'm going to look to see what's around.  Thanks.

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Re: Delta Elite
« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2008, 02:15:58 AM »
GEE !  anyone care to get back on topic ?
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Re: Delta Elite
« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2008, 02:24:52 AM »
Get the BOOK and you will see it was on TOPIC!!  JIM

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Re: Delta Elite
« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2008, 02:57:31 AM »
WASN'T LOOKING FOR A BOOK REPORT !
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Re: Delta Elite
« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2008, 04:20:08 PM »
SHOOTALL:  Get the Colt before it disappears.  The 10 can be loaded light or heavy and I prefer the 1911 type trigger over the dao type but that's a personal preference. 

Get the 1911 and you can get a 40 S&W for lighter loads and that also means a 357 Sig barrels.  Not bad, 3 for the price of 1. 

The Colt is an excellent platform for many applications and easily handles the pressures of the 10mm.  I would give it a good check-over, give her a new set of springs - probably a Wolff 20lb recoil spring set, a couple of boxes of mid-level loads and some high end stuff and spend some time on the range. 

A personal note - I would avoid recoil buffers and the poly-something spacer type buffers and just make sure you have heavy enough springs.  The full recoil of the 10mm can make a 1911 jump around a bit more than the old 45 does and a good set of heavy springs helps dampen the recoil and reduce frame battering.  Wolff's spring kits include matching weight firing pin springs and slide stop/thumb safety springs and it is worth replacing them all.  HTH.  Mikey.



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Re: Delta Elite
« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2008, 01:14:13 AM »
THANKS  that's what i was looking for !
I agree i have several 1911's and don't care to use anything EXTRA in the action . I have a 400 cor-bon bbl. in one and like it . but factory ammo is scarce . so a 10 mm might fill the bill , also have a Glock 10mm i carry on hunts but not as accurate as a colt ( under statement ) .
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Re: Delta Elite
« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2008, 01:59:35 AM »
SHOOTALL:  I shy away from the 400 Cor-Bon for a number of reasons, it being a less effective 10mm as the main reason.  A 10mm will flat outshoot a 400.  

The 400 depends on its case design, which is rather poor and is an offshoot of the old 38/45 Clarke design from days past.  That case was not designed to shoot heavier loadings and the only way the 400 makes its name is by using very 'lightweight for the bore' slugs and that gives it the high end velocities it claims.  Cor-Bon also claims the use of 'special powders' you cannot purchase in typical cannister form.  Well gosh, whadda buncha hooey.  If you take the 45 acp case and neck the shoulder down as far as Cor-Bon has, and stuff a lightweight bullet into it you can get your 1425'/sec without any real headache or pressure concerns from a number of cannister powders.  

I will gar-an-tee-ya that if you load the 10mm case with a 135 gn hp over a hefty powder charge you will get the same results as the Cor-Bon load.  But, you can't load the Cor-Bon case heavier than 165 gns and get much better than a pumped up 40 S&W.  And of course the factory ammo is scarce.  I have a 25 rnd box of the 400 Cor-Bon I bought a few years ago to see if I could chamber the cartridge in my 40 caliber wildcat - nope, a side by side profile comparison told me the Cor-Bon case would split the neck lengthwise and probably cause me serious problems.  I'm thinkin' that just for the hay of it I should pull the bullets and powder, load the stuff into my own cases and see how it shoots.  Maybe.  I might even give ya the box of ammo just to get it off my gun bench.  

You also said the Glock was not as accurate as the Colt - yes, that is an understatement but the Glock can be made to shoot pretty well.  Much of the accuracy problem is, I surmise, the result of the trigger (and sights maybe) - although I have seen some Glock 9s shoot so accurately that I almost want one, so the 10 should be able to do as well.  But, European gun makers don't usually make barrels to satisfy the American shooter's desires for shooting cast bullets, so you may need some 'attention' for that barrel.  

I would slug the bore first to determine the actual bore diameter and then consider fire or bore lapping it.  Here's why - Marlin, for example, runs the bore size on their lever actions in pistol calibers on the large size and cast loads that shoot great in revolvers may not shoot so well in the Marlin pistol caliber rifles or carbines.  The Glock may want to shoot jacketed bullets accurately enough but may not want to deliver any accuracy with cast loads unless they are properly sized.   You can lap and 'size' the bore at the same time by using lapping loads sized to the proper diameter.  

Let's say your Glock bore actually runs to .402 or .403 in the grooves but the lands are good at .400 - .401.  So, your sized .401 cast loads may not shoot accurately in your barrel and some jacketed loads may not shoot well at all and you might have to have cast slugs sized to .403 or even .404 to shoot accurately.  You may even have to go in the opposite direction if your bore runs undersized and find the need to size your cast slugs right at .400.

Also, European gun makers do not, I understand, worry about rough bores or sharp edges that might lead to inaccuracy and figure that any roughness will be shot out.  Shooting cast bullets in rough bores really almost always kills accuracy but lapping removes the roughness and greatly helps with accuracy and that might help with your Glock.  

Do Glock barrels wear polygonal rifling - I wonder if that would effect lapping results.  

And, you may have to do the same thing with the Colt barrel but there are many barrel makers who make 10mm barrels for the 1911.  

OK, I have to go clean a rifle.  Good Luck and hope you latch onto that Colt.  Mikey.

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Re: Delta Elite
« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2008, 04:20:41 AM »
Ended up with a Delta Gold Cup !
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Re: Delta Elite
« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2008, 03:02:28 PM »
I've been using a reworked Delta Elite 10MM for probably 15 years now. I refitted the slide to frame fit, added a long link, tighter bushing, got rid of the double recoil spring in favor of a 28lb Wolf spring on a spring guide,new sear, trigger and hammer, fitted a Clark beaver tail grip safety, Kings battle sights and Novak nylon trigger, then re-polished and re-blued the whole gun and added Pachmeyer grips.
I've chrono'd my 185 Gr lswc loads at 1270 FPS with good accuracy  and handling.Yes, it is Loud, but  I prefer the 10MM to my 45's for carrying in the woods and target work at 25 yards. This gun has now seen a lot of target work over the years and functions with complete reliability.
In closing, I don't think you can go wrong investing in a Colt DE 10MM

Tom