You could try different manufacturers as well, I have a 44mag super 14", no muzzle tamer, I shoot american eagle hollow points, 180gr I think, doesn't seem to have the recoil of the higher dollar loads, I shoot out to 70 yards when hunting and they are more than effective. I have a 14" 223, 10 45lc/ 410, and just ordered my first carbine barrel, 23" 30/30, with a composite stock and forend form ed's t/c, he's got about the best prices around and is a great guy to deal with! Good luck and have fun!