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Offline deltecs

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Where There is Faith, There is Hope.
« on: July 04, 2008, 08:31:41 PM »
For the last 2 hours and 45 mins, I've been wathing the quasi musical 1776.  Although not necessarily a documentary per se, the conficts, diplomacy, and personal prejudices are expressly ortrayed by our founding fathers at the Congressional Congress leading to the Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776.  As today is the 232nd birthday of our great nation, I am humbled by their dedication to remember the end goal of Independence above other relevant personal and representative convictions as originally written.  These men were committing treason.  These men knew the results of their actions should America lose.  And at the time, it did not appear hopeful that would be the case.  I od not have the literary expertise to express my most sincere faith yet for our country.  Yes, problems exist.  Yes, our people now are ever more polarized as a nation since the Civil War or War of Northen Agression.  We shall prevail.  Why.  Because there are still people who would give their lives for liberty, there are still honorable and ethical people who will do what is right over what is popular, there are still people with faith in our type of government even when it errors, and there are still people of hope and dedication to do their duty.  I am one of those people.  Happy Birthday America. 
Greg lost his battle with cancer last week on April 2nd 2009. RIP Greg. We miss you.

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Re: Where There is Faith, There is Hope.
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2008, 02:33:59 AM »
I watched the same thing last night instead of going to the fireworks, and we have some very good fireworks here. The more I know about our founding fathers the deeper my respect goes. I can't help but believe that a collection of men as these at such a time and in the place where they were was no accident but was an act of God.

 It seems incredible that we have come so far from the selfless men as these to people today who run advertisements that say, if you win Mr. Mccain my son will not fight for his country, and the people who run the ad think that this is helping their candidate. Incredible! I don't know Del, if I have the same optimism as you. The history of the children of Isreal is one of deeply religeous people becoming corrupt and falling away within a few generations over and over again. To look at us now I can't help but feel that we are no better.

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Re: Where There is Faith, There is Hope.
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2008, 09:59:28 AM »
Del ,some of the most amazing revelations of truth coming out of several historical documentary's i have been following lately was revealing the real George Washington.
Guys in the beginning this man was a total loser , a horrible General who's Enemy laughed at him , his men were sloppy misfits and he was nearly removed from his command.
He pulled it together though when Valley Forge woke him up to the facts that we were in this for the long haul , and we better win this or die trying ,because most of us were going to be shot or hung anyway if we didn't.  Its the same in the Civil War ,no one ever expected the Nightmare that became.
In the end conclusion of both of these conflicts it was not so much the issues that started them ,as the escalation of hostility's being that nether side blinked. Neither one of these wars can truly be compared to this , This compares more to the Roman Empire in the events surrounding its cause ,and its effect in the end.
lrs and i have been discussing this in relation to today ,No large Army of Gun Owners will form to defend the 2nd , or any other real cause we talk about today.
It will start from a small incident , that got out of hand, and will shock the long held beliefs of Americans. An act like Waco , involving the innocent or the rights of a State where anger replaces all talk about anything. Waco almost did this when the burning deaths of children for no matter what reason, had ATF afraid and watching their backs as large angry groups were forming ready to intervene . Today we have the Internet ,and more news reporting available than CNN . Blind anger and retribution will be the driving force ,and no quarter for those responsible will be given .Guns will then become only a tool , and the mass deaths and body counts will stun the oppressor.The excuse of they were just doing their jobs ,and their grieving family's will fall on deaf ears ,as to the reports of them being storm troopers . This reprisal will bring a contest between revenge and bottled up vigilante style group hatred on one side. Then the surprise and disbelief in the scope of defiance seen in their defeat, then the need for resolve and a justification for its actions, with a retaliation against the Terrorist mob . Brutality will spread and only then will the cooler heads on both sides form into something resembling a reason for the violence in being a cause, in the fight for America. Because the body count grows every day ,and now this can only be described as a war .The right to bear arms then will be a moot point , it will be the Amendments from the 3rd down as the issue VS the control and defeat of the Rebels .
This war will not be between the States ,but more between the country that either side envisions it to be .  And like the Roman Empire it will end in East and West  in one form or another. This is the real type of scenario Historical and Military scholars have envisioned from the studies done on similar Republics at the point we are at now in America. A spark igniting an explosion from hate and revenge VS Power and Rule .
The USSR , and other collapses of Governments like them were not Republics . The wars in the division of a Republic are far more bloody because its fought by free men , fighting for their freedom ,not to become a subject to Rulers and oppression . No doubt some States will then succeed , and form in a unity , and the worry of another Country coming to the aid of the oppressive Country is also moot . The defending side will also have help if they show they are determined to be their own Country .
In accepting this aid, it will show depending on who that aid is coming from the true intentions of either sides ambitions.
The bottom line here will be this will be a blood bath worse than any war we have yet seen .This time it is for the grand prize ,and the world will want the winner to be the one in control of the Bread Basket ,and the resources in this Country now has.  And either way the future face of America on the map is going to change.
In this time i Command ,That you take the Secular to Jerusalem .
There you rid the Holy City of the Scourge of Islam , Make the streets run red with the Blood of those who wish to wash Israel and Christianity from the face of the Earth.
Constantine III

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Re: Where There is Faith, There is Hope.
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2008, 11:33:38 AM »
 i long ago decided to ignore the medias rewriting history to
  belittle our countries great forfathers..were they human yes ..
 they grew and learned  as we all must do..not perfect but a touch here and there of greatness..