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jukar 45 cal. ???????
« on: August 20, 2008, 03:51:57 PM »
hey guys my buddy just got a jukar from his father that got it from some guy years ago he ask me about it and i have no idea i never saw one it has a 33 1/2 barrel in 45 cal the stock goes the whole way to the end of the barrel it is two pieces with a brass spacer between the two pieces of wood the barrel has jukar spain with blackpowder only under the jukar spain there is some numbers on it also 027974 looks to be in great shape dose anybody know anything about this gun like how much powder to use and what powder to use ff or fff i told not to  shoot it till i called him with what i came up with from you guys so any info would be great
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Re: jukar 45 cal. ???????
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2008, 05:28:33 AM »
Jukar may have been the name of the Spanish manufacturing facility that made the gun.  They were quite common in the 1970's and into the 1980's.  Several companies sold that model of "Kentucky" reproduction, even CVA.  Dixie may still sell them.    My first CVA kit, the Kentucky Pistol, actually said Jukar on the barrel.  Other companies sold the exact same thing.  The earlier of the percussion locks, made for a barrel with a welded bolster. were pretty bad, the later locks using a drum and nipple were much better.  For a while it was possible to obtain a Flint lock and convert the models from perc to flint and back again.  I just checked, the 2004 Dixie cat. still listed the CVA Kentucky rifle kit, made in Spain with the two piece stock. 

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Re: jukar 45 cal. ???????
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2008, 05:50:39 AM »
thanks it was a kit gun its a flintlock from the start any load info would be helpful i shoot 50cal so i have no idea about 45cal i guess it would be ok to shoot 70 to 90 grains of ff or fff dose this sound right let me know
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Re: jukar 45 cal. ???????
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2008, 07:04:59 AM »
For nearly every long rifle there are some old tried and true traditional rules of thumb.  slow twist is for round balls,   for guns under 50 cal use fffg, for guns over that use ffg.  For starting loads use the same grains of black powder as the bore size, ie 45 caliber, 45 grains, and a max should be twice that, ie 90 grains.  The best hunting load is usually around 1.5 times the bore size, ie  67.5 grains for a 45 cal and 75 grains for a 50 cal, etc.     You can use a coarser powder in the smaller bore but not finer powder in a large bore. 

With modern steel and components, some folks feel the need to always push the envelope.  But these "rules" have been in existence for 150 years or more.  Don't get carried away by the Popeye Complex, that if a little is good, more must be better.  Folks will post downright idiotic things like, "I use 8    90 grain pellets of super poop powder and never blowed my head off."   Your gun is a good serviceable firearm, but made with mild steel and was never intended to withstand "three stooges' loads".

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Re: jukar 45 cal. ???????
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2008, 12:40:56 PM »
JUkar in the 70"s had thier own line .
 this was while CVA was still being made here in the US .
 when CVA started buying their components from spain , Jukar whas who they had do their parts .
Jukar is a very large and old  Spanish firearms company  with many , many subsidiaries.
 Today  traditions pieces are built by Jukar as well