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Run it up the flagpole & see who salutes.
« on: August 07, 2008, 12:29:36 PM »
In advertising over 50 years ago, that was the expression used when you thought outside the box. I am posting these images as a public service of sorts, to see who salutes (builds one). Same-o same-o is nice enough but I like to see cannons that are different. Dominick is a front runner in my book. I may have another stroke after I've seen he has built a look-alike full size wrought iron breechblock swivel gun. ::)
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Re: Run it up the flagpole & see who salutes.
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2008, 03:19:42 PM »
Richard,   

You are absolutely correct Dom Carpenter is the one, look at these puppies that Dom has built for me. These definitely land in your category of cannon you enjoy.





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« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2008, 04:38:49 PM »
O.K. Ed;
You are clearly the one to commission the big wrought iron and banded  swivel gun. Your video clips are super. As we said in Brooklyn, "gofuhvit".  Some day I am going to roll 500 lbs into your driveway with the Loin's Paw and you can swing the 30 lb breechblock into the tube. Experience the thrill of a hernia and the fear on your neighbour's face.  You'll commission a grunter before I leave.

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nb: here's one just like mine, in a Carpathian castle. Land of my ancestors.
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Re: Run it up the flagpole & see who salutes.
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2008, 02:30:55 AM »
 Richard "The Herniated"

 I got a chuckle out of that... But on a more serious note, with the word "disk" often being associated with it, I'm looking more at the smaller stuff as I get older :)
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« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2008, 03:18:01 AM »
Richard,

 You can roll that Bad Boy into my driveway anytime, I believe my most of neighbors would love to see the loin's paws roar. :D

 

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Re: Run it up the flagpole & see who salutes.
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2008, 03:51:09 AM »
Being half Polish, I don't know how to quit. We never give-up. I had a stroke in 2002 when I was 64 and crushed a disc helping a friend in 2006 and spent 5 months in & out of traction. The Lion's Paw becomes heavier with each passing day now BUT he is one-of-a-kind on this side of the pond and you can always deal with my widow when the time comes but be quick about it because my daughter has said she is going to pile everything on my chest and burn me like a Viking with it. Oh well! There goes my canoe too. :'(

The same book has alot of hand cannons illustrated. Anyone interested? I can scan & post.

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Re: Run it up the flagpole & see who salutes.
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2008, 11:48:11 AM »
yeah please do ,
and I also hope you will tell us the name of that book   ;D
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Re: Run it up the flagpole & see who salutes.
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2008, 02:32:53 PM »
Richard,

I would like to someday build a 15th century cannon for myself when I find the time.  It would probably be a 20" diameter wheel, golf ball size breechloader with a carriage similar to the one below.




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Re: Run it up the flagpole & see who salutes.
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2008, 03:00:54 PM »
Yo! Dom ........ GOFUHVIT ........That's going to be like a small version of mine.  Start here! 8)

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« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2008, 03:44:31 PM »
These are what Dan asked for.
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« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2008, 03:48:27 PM »
This is the end of sorts. It's 10pm and I haven't made my dinner yet. I'll catch-up tomorrow.

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« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2008, 02:18:54 PM »
I wish I had the knowledge and posibility to work in wrought iron ,
but Im sorry to say I havent .
who knows what will happened in the future when I get some more free time
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Re: Run it up the flagpole & see who salutes.
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2008, 07:13:14 PM »
I have the main tube almost done on this one. I went with a solid tube instead of a breech-loader. This one is 1.72" cal and bored out of a solid round of 4140. I went with a 1.125"D x 1.5"L powder chamber. I'm doing the banding now. The center band is done and is getting etched with some decoration sometime in the next few weeks. We're in the middle of moving houses, so shop tie and space are kind of "yet to be determined" for a while. It'll probably October before I get around to the finishing the carraige parts. It'll be next after I finish my Sikh standing mortar.

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Re: Run it up the flagpole & see who salutes.
« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2008, 09:12:04 PM »
     Don,   That's  going to be one terrific golf ball blaster!  Be sure to take a few In-Process pics when you get a chance.  Same with your Sikh Standing Mortar.  Can't wait to see that one, because we know the tube is very well made and works extremely well too, (BINGO Contest thread; see Don's video clip).

Good luck with the move!

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Re: Run it up the flagpole & see who salutes.
« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2008, 04:17:15 PM »
Don,
Curious: Why do you have the muzzle, narrower than the breech?  I've only seen the configuration reversed, as in the illustrations I posted above.  Really nice project.  Congratulations! I think pre-trunnion pieces should qualify for "Rambo" dolls.  Separate the men from the boys; so-to-speak ;D

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Re: Run it up the flagpole & see who salutes.
« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2008, 04:23:03 PM »
The actual final shape is going to have a 7" re-enforced breech section whose outer dia is the same as the muzzle ring.It'll have a bladed front sight as well, which was also used on quite a few historic pieces as well. There's actually quite a few medieval muzzle loaders that are more or less constant dia down the length. I kind of bastardized several different designs into one, though. I pretty love them all, so I took the barrel contour of some of the breech-loading designs, but kept it strictly muzzle loading. I had a 24" tube to work with and my machinist buddy could only do a through-hole. I wanted to retain as much barrel length as possible, so i made my powder chamber 1.125" dia x 1.5" long and kept ~20 of actual barrel length...gotta keep those golfballs accurate! :)  For a historically accurate, yes, this one would have had about a 6" x 3/4" powder chamber or so, with the breech being smaller overall dia. Since I opened up the chamber dia, I had to keep wall thickness thicker and thus the built up breech. I want to mess around with "machined-rifled" projectiles (like this:http://www.defensereview.com/1_31_2004/FRAG%2012.pdf , but without the explosive round) with higher velocities and fun stuff like that was the reason for wanting the extra barrel length. I love medieval designs, though so I went with the historic carraige and wrought banding.

My favorite is a Maximillian cannon that I'm *still* trying to get a Swiss museum to respond to emails over. It has an octagonal, 8" thick breech that tapers over 56" to the muzzle that's ~3.5". No banding though. There's a pic of it in Dudley Pope's "Guns". I'll have to stop by Mike and Tracy's though to rifle it, though. :)
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