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Recommend  0 Hernán Rozemberg - Express-News After more than two decades on the books, a little-known yet strictly enforced federal law barring foreigners with HIV or AIDS from entering the country is on its way out.

Tucked in a bill pledging $48 billion to combat the disease, signed into law by President Bush last week, was language stripping the provision from federal immigration law.

But that change didn't fully lift the entry ban on visitors with HIV or AIDS, which applies whether they're on tourist jaunts or seeking longer stays. The secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services still needs to delete HIV from the agency's list of “communicable diseases of public health significance,” which includes tuberculosis, gonorrhea and leprosy.

An HHS spokeswoman declined to comment, noting administrators are still reviewing the new law. An April report from the Congressional Budget Office said that, based on information from HHS' Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, HIV will be dropped from the list and new regulations will be in place in two years.

Both immigrant and HIV awareness advocates, however, say the toughest hurdle has been cleared, that the lifting of the immigration provision has been a long time coming — politics finally catching up with medical knowledge.

“Today everyone knows that you can't get AIDS from sitting next to someone on an airplane or sharing a bathroom — American policy should reflect this,” said Victoria Neilson, legal director of Immigration Equality, a New York-based advocacy group that has led a years-long campaign against the ban.

In San Antonio, people in the HIV/AIDS community welcomed the new law, but noted that plenty of people here had already circumvented the travel ban, since the area has been a long-standing destination for unauthorized immigrants.

Jan Patterson, an infectious disease specialist in San Antonio, agreed that the ban has no scientific underpinning.

When HIV first surfaced, researchers didn't know how it was transmitted, but it has long been widely known that HIV is not easily contracted and that even people with full-blown AIDS can live for a long time, said Patterson, who has taught for 15 years at the University of Texas Health Science Center.

In a speech before signing the law, President Bush emphasized that “HIV's deadly stigma” is still a societal obstacle because patients still don't receive mainstream acceptance.

Congressional support for lifting the travel ban was bipartisan and strong, but not unanimous. Leading the opposition was U.S. Rep. Lamar Smith of San Antonio, the top Republican in the House Judiciary Committee. He sent a missive to his colleagues titled “The bill threatens the health and lives of Americans.”

The e-mail cited the CBO's April report predicting that revoking the travel ban would allow an estimated 4,300 immigrants with HIV to enter the country in 2013, increasing to 5,600 by 2018. Smith's message left out the report's estimate of the public cost of treating these immigrants and their children between 2010 and 2018: $83 million.

Smith warned the disease has killed more than 500,000 Americans despite improved treatment and that allowing infected foreigners in would increase public risk.

The Family Focused AIDS Clinical Treatment and Services, a 2,000-patient clinic in San Antonio, offers services to anyone diagnosed with HIV whether they're in the country legally or not, said its director, Tracy Talley.

So immigrants, particularly from Mexico, have made their way across the border for years just to get treatment unavailable back home, Talley said.

Many of them are referred to the clinic through a nonprofit aid group in San Antonio, Mujeres Unidas Contra el SIDA or United Women Against AIDS. The group's director, Yolanda Rodríguez-Escobar, concurred with Talley that most HIV immigrants here are border-crossers who might never have heard of the travel exclusion.

They'd prefer to enter the country legally for treatment if given the option, said one of them. But in Mexico, the stigma of the disease is so great, those infected have always simply assumed their only immigration option is to go underground, he said.

“Everybody in Mexico knows that if you've got HIV, you might as well forget trying to get papers,” said Antonio, 41, an unauthorized immigrant with HIV in San Antoni.

Howard Wallen of New York tried to get papers to bring his wife into the country from Ethiopia, where he met her in 2002, later marrying her and having a daughter. They soon found out Abeba's HIV status prevented her from coming to the United States with him.

She eventually died from AIDS — an outcome that might have been different had she received therapy in the United States, Wallen said.

“She deserved the dignity of that chance,” he said.

The HIV prohibition issue stretches beyond U.S. borders. The 11,000-member International AIDS Society counts 67 countries restricting the entry or stay of HIV patients.

 

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Do they pay for this treatment ?
Do they pass it on while they are trying too get this treatment--in other words are they committed too celibacy ?
Is there treatment that will prevent/cure/make immune ?
The answer is a loud no!
If isolation while caring was possible the cost would be horrendous. they can't pay and while the thought is touching--we can't either.
Sure they die. Sure it is sad. It is a horrible disease. How is it passed. What is the prevention for passing it on.
At some point one must come too grips with the reality--take off the rose colored glasses--step up too the plate and say I can afford too pay and will pay all the cost for these folks too have treatment in the place they became infected.
No other way too say it.
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You don't let foreigners with aids in the country period.

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Congress passed a bill which the story indicates had very strong and wide spread support likely enough to over ride a veto. Bush didn't chose to veto the entire bill due to a single line item in it. Why the hell are you blaming him he didn't pass the bill Congress did.

While I agree I'd rather they stay out I think it's stupid to blame Bush for every bill Congress passes.


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Well said, GB.
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My problem is, people want to live the life style that spreads HIV/AIDS then i need to help
pay for their mistakes. I guess it is my fault they can't read and understand how to get
HIV/AIDS
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Gb your right I'M just sick of this stuff.

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GB:  You are right, Congress tacked it on to a bill that they knew the president would not veto.  And if he did they could get it overturned anyway.  Like many other things, he has no control over, but the president gets blamed by short sited people anyway, whether he is at fault or not. 

Plus this little issue is of no real importance, unless we secure the borders.  With our wide open borders anyone with HIV or any other disease can and do come into our country and passes it on.  So in reality the only ones we are stopping are the ones that are responsible enough to try and do things in the legal manner.  They are not the ones we need to worry about, responsible people will not be doing things to pass it on the anyone else.   
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Here in WV, the droolers blamed Bush for Katrina.  Not the aftermath, the storm itself. ???

FWIW, HIV/AIDS has the capacity to take mankind off the face of the earth!

To highjack this thread for a moment, I wisht one of these folks screaming for "secure borders" would explain one VIABLE plan that would work??  Maybe start another thread. Sourdough, why don't you start it off. If you recall, Alaska was the ONLY piece of USA soil that was occupied by a foreign army during WW2 so maybe you folks have had time to figure out how you screwed up.  What are you gonna do to keep a boat load of folks from traveling 90 miles or less acrost the straits and slippiing into some isolated inlet and disappearing into the bush?  With a sack full of some of that bad stuff that don't weigh a lot. To be met by some of our home grown dissidents. I understand you've quite a few of them lurking around in the bush up your way. :D

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I'll start a new thread, but to answer these questions first:  Western Alaska, the area closes to Russia, is so isolated no one wants to go there in the first place.  The weather is nasty, and the only way out is very expensive air travel.  The population is so low, that everyone there knows everyone.  The Aleutians are also so remote, and nasty weather that only a large military operation could survive there.  The average Terrorist, Smuggler, or Average Person can not survive long there.  Again it is so remote a location no one would want to sneak in there.  Once again the only way out is by air or boat, air is extremely expensive, and boat service is non existent except for fishermen.  Few people live there as well, and any strangers would instantly be recognized.  It is truely No Where, and not the place someone would try to sneak into.  Why go to a remote location and be stuck with no way out, and no where to go from there.  There are no roads, or rail roads in Western Alaska.  Only Eskimos and Aleuts had the ability to survive there, and live off the land.  And today even they have lost that ability, they no longer have the knowledge and skills to survive there without heating oil and electricity.   

During WWII the Japanese took over mostly uninhabited islands, then captured everyone on the adjoining islands to prevent word getting out of their arrival.  There was not a lot of people to capture.  And the battle to recapture Attu was the second costliest battle in the Pacific theater during WWII.
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aids is already here in the latest estimate is abour 20% of the people so it way too late to bar people from coming here with it.
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aids is already here in the latest estimate is abour 20% of the people so it way too late to bar people from coming here with it.

I don't think so.  Most other immigration requirements have some sort of health restrictions or financial wherewithall to cover any medical expenses as an immigrant.  Why not here.  Our population and cultural diversity is becoming increasingly perverse and twisted.  I don't think it is a travesty not to permit immigration to persons with HIV.  As far as I'm concerned, no immigration should be permitted whatsoever, until we have resolved our illegal immigration problem satisfactorily.  And even then, the standards should be very restrictive due our own population natural increases.  Some of those standards should be financial ability, education, ability to mix within American culture, and absolute loyalty to the USA.
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YUP!!