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Quality of RP brass? Long lived?
« on: August 19, 2008, 12:14:09 AM »
Hi All,

      Have a question as to RP brass, have been using some in 6mm Remington and am going to have to get a new batch as 3 cases now have developed split necks. No biggie really as I cannot say how many re-loads they have taken but was wondering if any other make of brass is better?

     I do have Remington brass for other cartridges as well and actually buy RP 303 to re-form to 6.5x53R as it's undersized on the web which is important for this conversion and even have some old REM-UMC 270 brass.

      Now I know I can get more 6mm RP brass but not sure about other makes in 6mm Rem as it's not exactly a common cartridge here any way I will have to order it as they won't have any in stock. Your comments would be appreciated  :).

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Re: Quality of RP brass? Long lived?
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2008, 05:14:39 AM »
Brit,
The last few years, I've found Remingtons brass to be hit or miss, where longevity is concerned. You may try annealing the necks to get more loads out them.


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Re: Quality of RP brass? Long lived?
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2008, 02:58:34 PM »
Thank you for that I will have a look at those not loaded and see if it helps. My handloads are quite hot as with lower loads I don't seem to be getting consistancy from this rifle. This of course is working the brass more and will reduce it's life some. I did wonder about annealing but thought I would get more opinions and ideas first.

  Will try to get another make as well to compare the RP to. I will order a new batch of 100 RP cases tomorrow anyway and continue trying to get some others, might have to try importing them as so far none of the gunshops or suppliers that I have tried here are listing 6mm Rem brass other than RP.

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Re: Quality of RP brass? Long lived?
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2008, 02:11:31 AM »
You can get Winchester brass and I think Hornady makes brass for the 6mm Rem, but not sure on that. I have used both Winchester and Remington brass. I really can not find that much difference in quality. Another option is to get 7mm Mauser or 257 Roberts brass and reform them to 6mm and then fire forming. Lots of companies make brass for those. You will defiantly have to anneal necks after forming and may have to turn necks. I have reformed brass and it is a real pain to do. Some are worse than others. I found that if I can buy the correct brass, even if you do not get as many reloads as you would like, it is better than the time spent reforming. That is a decision that you have to make. Since your problem is split necks, I would anneal. That area is getting work hardened causing the splits. If you are getting failures in the web, there is not much you can do about it, except get better brass or down load to lower pressure levels. Annealing case necks is not as hard as it would seem. Hornady makes a kit for this, it comes with good instructions and it is easy to use and fairly quick. I can do 100 cases in less than 1 hour. I get the cases "marked" with the heat sensitive paste and then fire up the torch and I use a battery powered screw driver to turn the cases. As soon as the paste melts, I drop them into some water. Good Luck and Good Shooting.
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Re: Quality of RP brass? Long lived?
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2008, 03:25:48 PM »
I don't have any problems with RP brass, or anybody else's brass.  I trim often and avoid max loads and get pretty good results.

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Re: Quality of RP brass? Long lived?
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2008, 10:36:12 PM »
As I have been working up loads trying to get consistant accuracy and so far only the hotter loads have produced this. So far I have done about 500 handloads trying different powders/bullets and powder charges and I didn't count how many times each case has be re-loaded. As consistancy seemed elusive I am conducting a test over an extended period of time by usign the "Master" target system. this is where two targets are put up one exactly on top of the other so only one is visable and a five round group shot on it, then the top target is changed and a new on placed exactly on top of the bottom one which now has five holes in it and a second five round group shot.

  The bottom target is the master and marked as such and this is repeated again at different times over a period of time to get get a record of the true grouping ability of the rifle, scope, ammo and shooter. I shot the first three targets last Sunday and got this result:-

Oh range is 82 yards (75 meters)

First target (Yes sorry it's upside down but for some reason the host site will not allow it to be rotated  >:( )


Second target


and the Master showing the composit group so far:-



Now if I was just considering individual groups I would be dissappointed with target 1 and wondering about the bedding with target 2 however when you look at the Master the two groups make one rounded group. We will see what this coming Sundays group adds to it. The test will continue until at least Forty rounds are on the Master target so that's another 6 weeks of shooting one group per week which should allow for different weather and light conditions as well. 75 meters is the only range available within reasonable distance to home.

  As for the case well I resized some Federal 243 cases last night which have been reloaded once since being fired as factory ammo and out of a box of twenty, Two had split necks  ::), not exactly what one would expect from Federal brass, Dies are RCBS, I will see what makes the gunshop has in stock next time I am in there and check the prices. I am not exactly new to reloading having done so for some twenty years. This 6mm Remington chambered rifle has been the most frustrating to work with  :'( and now with the split necks on some 243 brass it seems these small bore are not as robust as the larger hulls? Have not had this trouble with 270 Win, 6.5x55, .308, and even 303 British in fact I have yet to lose a 303 British case through stress and they are supposedly famous for case failures !

The worse case failure I can remember and one that failed on actual firing was an old Rem-UMC marked 270 Win case that cracked across the head into the primer pocket. I had a lot of these cases whcih I acquired when first starting to load rifle, the 270 was my first centerfire rifle and after a second of these cases failed I junked the rest to be on the safe side. I have no idea how old these cases were but they looked good and showed no visible signs of stress to the eye and by then I had brought some Sako ammo so had the cases from them with a known history to work with.

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Re: Quality of RP brass? Long lived?
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2008, 01:06:30 AM »
  The bottom target is the master and marked as such and this is repeated again at different times over a period of time to get get a record of the true grouping ability of the rifle, scope, ammo and shooter.

What a neat idea!  :o  I'd like to try it if I'm ever at the range alone some day!   :)
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Re: Quality of RP brass? Long lived?
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2008, 05:48:01 AM »
Sorry to say that I cannot claim it as my own idea  :'( I read about it in Guns digest I think it was some year back and the idea stuck  ;) with the inconsistancy I was getting with this rifle it seemed a good one to try this out on and see how it does over time.

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Re: Quality of RP brass? Long lived?
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2008, 07:55:03 AM »
I like the idea. 
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