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Offline kombi1976

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9.3x62 270gr Speer penetration
« on: August 03, 2008, 10:34:37 PM »
As some of you guys would know I picked up a Tikka T3 Lite Stainless in 9.3x62 and bought some Speer 270gr SemiSpitzers to load for it
rmatt kindly recommended a good load and it initially shot exceptionally well at 50m.
I was out in the field hunting last weekend and had the chance to finally get it on target, a task we achieved relatively quickly.
After lunch we tied a paper target to a pine tree and shot one shot at 25yds and then the next 4 at 50yds.
The rifle got itself on target well.
But that wasn't the stunning bit.
Every shot completely penetrated the 8" thick pine tree and then left lead fragments on the dead tree a foot behind.
One jacket even penetrated the tree and embedded itself in the dead tree.
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The front of the tree


The back of the tree


And the dead tree behind


Here's a shot of the recovered jacket next to an unfired 270gr Semispitzer for comparison.
For those of you interested on how well the 9.3x62 fared on real animals cheack out this thread...

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,149041.0.html
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Re: 9.3x62 270gr Speer penetration
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2008, 06:22:14 AM »
Hi Kombi,

     Now you know that if soemone shoots at you hiding behind a tree might conceal you but it's no cover  ;) I am not surprised as I noticed a similar thing when sighting in a 7x57 in the paddock where I used to hunt.

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Re: 9.3x62 270gr Speer penetration
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2008, 07:24:21 AM »
 ;)

Think what will happen if you slip one of those into the shoulder
of something BIG - like eland or moose, or one of your buffalo's!




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Re: 9.3x62 270gr Speer penetration
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2008, 08:17:02 PM »
You know me too well, Sweet 6.5.
That was EXACTLY what was going through my mind when I saw the tree.
And that's only a standard non-premium, non-bonded core bullet.
Just imagine what a Woodleigh 286gr Protected Point will do to a buff with a max load!  :o
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Re: 9.3x62 270gr Speer penetration
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2008, 02:46:00 AM »
Slightly off topic but during the Vietnam war M14 rifles shooting the 7.62 NATO round (aka .308 Win.) became highly prized by many U.S. Marine combat units because the M16 ammo was easily stopped by any reasonable barrier but the M14 would penetrate through substantial amounts of material and still get to the target.

As a teenager I had an accidental discharge of a .270 Win. inside my home.  I can tell you that a cup and core bullet will plow through alot more drywall, plywood, hardwood, roofing felt, and shingles than you might imagine.  :o  (No one was injured, thank God.)
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Re: 9.3x62 270gr Speer penetration
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2008, 03:10:35 AM »
A friend had the same experience with his .303 using SPs.
It punched through the floor and into the fridge, stopping just next to an antique milk jug that was a family heirloom!  :-[
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Re: 9.3x62 270gr Speer penetration
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2008, 03:33:18 AM »
Kombi, if you need to go after those wild bulls and Buffalos you have over there consider the Barnes TSX 250 grn.  Solid copper.  Great break down down bullet will amaze you with it's penetration and will go through both shoulders and have about 95% retained weight.  More expensive but when your A$$ is on the line it is great to have in the tube.  I have had very accurate loads with RL 15.  I am sure other powders will work just fine.  Work up loads with Barnes TSX even though you have bands on the bullet to reduce pressure some fire arms are a little picky how they shoot them.  I have a T3 Tikka in a 6.5X55 and a 30-06.  They both shoot the TSX very well, however the 30-06 prefers the 165 grn bullet.  The 6.5X55 really like the 120 Barnes TSX and @ just under 2900 FPS with reloader 19.  I am a happy camper with these bullets.  I know you will just love the T3 Tikka and the 9.3X62 caliber, you have a life long combination there.    Buckfever

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Re: 9.3x62 270gr Speer penetration
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2008, 09:16:32 AM »
Kombi
I saw your target on the other 9.3x63 thread. Have you settled on a load yet? My CZ550 American will shoot 3/4" in groups at 100 yds with the load I mentioned. I'm basically a paper puncher at heart, so the accuracy is paramount and the velocity is second. However I did shoot a Russian Boar 250 lbs with that bullet ,powder combo. Too much gun but what the hey, got the job done. 150 yd shot bullet entered behind the right shoulder an came out the other side about the size of a ping-pong ball.
Good Luck
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Re: 9.3x62 270gr Speer penetration
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2008, 01:16:57 AM »
Quote from: Buckfever
Kombi, if you need to go after those wild bulls and Buffalos you have over there consider the Barnes TSX 250 grn.  Solid copper.  Great break down down bullet will amaze you with it's penetration and will go through both shoulders and have about 95% retained weight.  More expensive but when your A$$ is on the line it is great to have in the tube.  I have had very accurate loads with RL 15.  I am sure other powders will work just fine.  Work up loads with Barnes TSX even though you have bands on the bullet to reduce pressure some fire arms are a little picky how they shoot them.  I have a T3 Tikka in a 6.5X55 and a 30-06.  They both shoot the TSX very well, however the 30-06 prefers the 165 grn bullet.  The 6.5X55 really like the 120 Barnes TSX and @ just under 2900 FPS with reloader 19.  I am a happy camper with these bullets.  I know you will just love the T3 Tikka and the 9.3X62 caliber, you have a life long combination there.    Buckfever
Thanks, Buckfever.
I think I really will love the T3 in 9.3x62 once I am accustomed to it.
It is already growing on me.
And I'm sure the TSX is a superb bullet but price is more than a bit of problem.
For a 50 box of 165gr 30 cal Barnes X Bullets the price is AUD$67.50 and a box of 165gr 30 cal XLCs is AUD$84.29.
Goodness knows how much a box of 9.3 cal 250gr pills would be with the world price of copper doubling almost over night.
On the other hand Woodleigh, which has a brilliant reputation here and in Africa, make 9.3 cal 250gr and 286gr Protected Point(MagTip) bullets for AUD$50 per 50.
I know other guys who have used these on buffs.
So yeah, the TSX is without doubt a bang flop bullet but so are the Woodleighs, at 2/3rds the price.
Plus it's a local product and you can't argue with that combination, eh?  ;)
Meanwhile, however, the Speers are more than any deer can handle so I'll stick with them for everything but dangerous game.
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Kombi
I saw your target on the other 9.3x63 thread. Have you settled on a load yet? My CZ550 American will shoot 3/4" in groups at 100 yds with the load I mentioned. I'm basically a paper puncher at heart, so the accuracy is paramount and the velocity is second. However I did shoot a Russian Boar 250 lbs with that bullet ,powder combo. Too much gun but what the hey, got the job done. 150 yd shot bullet entered behind the right shoulder an came out the other side about the size of a ping-pong ball.
Good Luck
Bob
Actually, Bob, I'm well on the way to settling with your load! :D
I'm yet to have the time or ammo to put it on paper at 100yds but it took the billy goat about a month back and that's good enough for me.
As for too much gun, I always go by the old saying "You can never use too much gun......unless you want to eat it."  ;D
Anyhow, I'll keep you posted on my progress with this rifle.
However once it's on target I don't intend to mess with it much.
It'll be a hunting rifle, not a target rifle, especially considering how expensive it is to feed.
That is quite funny really.
If it was a 300 Mag of most types I'd just shoot cheap 165 or 180 grainers through it but there's no such thing as cheap for the 9.3x62 and being firm on the shoulder to say the least, especially out of a 6.5lb rifle, I was never going to be excited about bench resting it continually.
Still at least it isn't as annoyingly expensive as my mate's Weatherby MkV Ultra Light in 300 Wby Mag.
The factory brass costs a fortune, it burns powder like it's going out of style and he's been trying out most of the premium bullet brands (with the exception of Woodleigh!) which are also giving him a pain in the hip pocket, all to no avail.
It still can't close a 3 shot group smaller than 1.5" at 100m, and this from a AUD$2500 rifle and a AUD$1000 scope.
The first one in smack on the bull but the 2nd and 3rd shots wander.
Ok, so Ultra Light bbls are designed to shoot bench rest comps but even when he allows it to cool it isn't great.
I'm liking my AUD$970 Tikka more everyday!  ;)
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.22lr ~ 22 Hornet ~ 25-20 ~ 303/25 ~ 7mm-08 ~ 303 British ~ 310 Cadet ~ 9.3x62 ~ 450/400 NE 3"

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Re: 9.3x62 270gr Speer penetration
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2008, 01:28:34 AM »
Kombi
Too much gun? I have a CZ 550 in 416 Rigby. Use it for rogue chipmunks in the back yard LOL. Serious it shoots as well as the 9.3x62 if I do my part. Squeezing the trigger on that keeps you from snoozing.
Good luck
Bob