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Offline Mainspring

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M-16, M-4, et. al. reports
« on: July 21, 2003, 06:17:18 AM »
Has anyone seen any reports on M-16/M-4 performance in Iraq this time around yet?
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M-16, M-4, et. al. reports
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2003, 06:30:36 AM »
I read on one of the bullitin boards that they had trouble initially with their lubricant which was said to be Breakfree with CLP, in the dusty environment.  I think they said the solution was to lub lightly and wipe off all excess lube.  I thought this was already common sence, but I guess it stopped the malfunctions.

Again, I dont know if this is true, it was posted on one of the many boards that I read, I dont even remember which one it was.

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« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2003, 06:27:23 AM »
Thanks for the input deerhunter.
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« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2003, 03:44:06 AM »
Funny thing guys, the P-08 Luger had the same problems in the American desert when our cavalry tested it there.  They found it worked much better if the kept it lightly lubed and fairly dry.  Gee, ya thunk we woulda learned after all these years, huh?  Mikey.

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« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2003, 07:42:12 AM »
My last verbal info a couple months ago was from reserve and active duty vets of the Iraq war.

Soldiers and Marines are regularly issued heavy disposable plastic weapons sleeves in which to keep their rifles/machine guns and magazines for ready use.  The tear-away perforations make it easy to unsheath the weapon quickly when needed.  The sleeves provided good protection against the constant dust and sand exposure that troops and equipment get in the open desert.   Apparently there was a constant shortage of this item, and troops didn't always have the option of properly storing loaded weapons.

As a civilian contractor, I've experienced a couple of those ferocious sandstorms in the Kuwait desert, and you can believe they are horrendous!  When they get bad, we couldn't see five feet in front of us.  We actually had to tie ropes between our parked armor vehicles to know which direction to go when exiting one vehicle to another!  A few seconds of exposure to the almost constant wind and any weapon, no matter how clean, is coated with fine, gritty, sand and dust.  I defy anyone to come p with an alternative to cleaning and inspecting his weapons several times a day.  Breakfree CLP is no worse than any other one-step lubricant, and is not the culprit here.  The harsh operating conditions are.

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