R u all talking about drawing for a Elk tag at the Wichita Moutians , if so hang in there i had a freind that did it every year for like 25 years and finally got in , one hole did u come up and take your doe and the salt palins refuge i live about 15 miles from there? i know a few people that have won a drawing on the refuge and have taken some giant bucks off there ,they have time to get big and mature becasue thats the only hunting on the refuge is the drawing, i know the guy that owens land on the north side of the refuge and he takes a big azz buck every year that comes off the refuge on to his place... good luck to u all in the Drawings