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Offline wonderer

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Lee sizing and lubing
« on: October 10, 2008, 09:51:54 AM »

Hello,
I have heard good things about the Lee sizing die.  What are your thoughts on the Lee sizing system?  When using the Lee sizing die how do you recommend lubing your bullets?  The liquid alox is messy and more importantly does not do as good of a job as I would like.  Is there a way to apply one of your softer lubes without a lube/sizing machine?  I'm looking for something easy, simple, effective, and inexpensive: a tall order for any product.  Thanks.

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Re: Lee sizing and lubing
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2008, 04:58:35 PM »
  Long before Lee came out with their sizer method I sized the same way in home made dies.  It works quite well for those on a bugit.

  I recommend pushing gas checked bullets through nose first, so the check gets clamped on tight by the pusher pressure.  I've never seen a Lee sizer so don't have any idea how close the pusher punch is to sizer diameter, but for pushing gas checked bullets nose first the pusher diameter should be no less than .020 smaller than the sizer, and preferably about .010 smaller, so the checks are held square and can't cup out or deform.  Size your gc bullets without lube, so the check is locked on and lube can be smeared on easily with the fingers.  Lubricate them with LBT Blue soft and they will stand more velocity and pressure without leading than with any other lube you can buy.  --  You'll quickly learn about how much lube to put on, doing it with the index finger of your master hand, then holding the finger out of the way while sizing.  Wipe excess lube off the base and nose ahead of the sized area with a paper towel or rag, and your bullets will look about as good as if sized and lubed on a lubrisizer.  This covers all the requirement you listed.  It is the easiest and fastest way to hand lubricant, and less messy in my opinion.  Not as easy as using a lubrisizer, nor as fast, but very efficient and effective when the very low cost is considered.  When order lube, get solid sticks so you'll get a bit more lube. We advertise  10 sticks as the minimum order but order two or more at $3.50 each and we'll go for it.

  You are correct when you say liquid alox is a mess and not a very effective lubricant.  I won't expound farther than that as I might sound vindictive or something!
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Re: Lee sizing and lubing
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2008, 11:44:55 AM »
The Lee pusher punches are on the order of .005 to .007 smaller than the sizer diameter.  I use the LEE sizers that are .001 larger than bore diameter (ie. .309, .358, .430) with the Hornady crimp-ons.  LBT blue soft with the Lee sizers works well and is not a sticky mess.  The hand lube method is a bit slow but my volume has reduced quite a bit with the high price of gas-checks!  - Phil

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Re: Lee sizing and lubing
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2008, 02:02:51 PM »
Depending on how far down you are sizing or how hard your lead is; you might have to use a bit of case lube or a minute bit of Veral's lube to set gas checks in the Lee sizer.  I stuck a bullet in my sizer and had to tap it out the back with a dowel.  When lubed they passed through fine.  I still hand lube when I use the Lee luber for calibers that I don't yet have dies for in my RCBS.  The bullets were 50/50 ww and linotype for use in a 357 max Contender.

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Re: Lee sizing and lubing
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2008, 03:19:52 PM »
In reguards to the Lee sizers, they work, as do all Lee tools I have tried.  The way I put chechs on is to use dishwashing detergent for lube, and then wash it off after the check is seated.  I then use the method Veral described to actually lube the bullet.  I sometimes run it through a secondtime, but as my tecnique has become better, this is seldom needed.

I have an RCBS mold that I have "beagled" because it absolutely would not drop bulletrs big enough, or round.  I cut out the stinking, filthy, no good gas check step in the mold
( it wouldn't hold a check anyway) with a drill that was a little bigger than .430.  I get a really round base, but it is oversize, so I must have some kind of lube to size it.  Detergent works very well here, too.