35 Remington load recipes?

[Burnsome]

anybody got any good "light" handload recommendations for the 200 and 220gr bullets for use in a Marlin?  Got some H335 powder and 220gr bullets on hand that i need to load up....

TIA !

[coug2wolfs]

For a goodly spell I was a true 35 Rem man.  I burned out 4 Marlins that's how much I shot of this caliber.  If there is a load in existance that I have not tried in the 35 Rem I do not know of it.

The best one I ever found goes as follows:

Remington Brass trimmed to 1.905
39.0 grains of Winchester 748 Powder
Federal 215 Magnum Primer
Sierra 200 grain round nose Pro Hunter at an OAL of 2.470
Hornady 200 grain round nose at an OAL of 2.510

Chronographed AVERAGE 2130 fps with a muzzle energy of 1960 ft pounds


This load went under a quarter inch at 50 yards, and always was under a half inch at a hundred when I was in any kind of a shootin mood.

The load was/is so consistant, that if I used it for two days in a row in ANY 35 Rem rifle and it didn't shoot, the gun was gone.

Now as far as killing, I found the Hornady bullet held together much better than the Sierra.  At 100 yards, the Sierra more than not, popped the lead right out of the jacket, and that was shooting into wet clay background.

Another time I spied a porkypine in a spruce tree.  I marched up about 10 yards off an let em have it.  Oh it killed em awrite, but I swear, there was no exit hole!!!!  Had that a been a Hornady, or even a Remington Core Lokt, I'd venture it would have cut that varmit in half!

I've run a lot of levers in my life, some were designed a long time ago and they just plain work with no hiccups.  The 35 Rem and the 30-30 because of the way the shells are shaped, well they let a man rape the lever if you know what I mean.

Had a friend on another ridge one time when I got into this 230 pound 8 point buck.  Mister, that Marlin 35 Rem was talkin!  Later, Glen told me he thought it was me at first, but then he ruled it out on account of he never heard a lever gun fire that fast, thought it was a guy with an autoloader that went full auto.

For the record, you can't do that with the 444 Marlin or the 45-70.  You try to cycle em that fast and the shells will stovepipe.  I have in fact bent many of the over 40 cases trying to pour lead.

The other factor to consider is the recoil level.  A man can fire a 35 Rem Marlin off his......nuts, and be none the worse for wear.  He tries that with a 45-70 rifle and he'll be talkin high fer a spell :lol:

That's important, yah, the nuts too, but I'm talking about the recoil level here.  The 35 Rem is low enough in recoil and report whereas a man can STAY on target and just keep pouring the lead.  You have to recover from recoil with the over 40 group, and that takes time, time you don't have when the game is tryin to leave town for Ridgewood New Jersey or other parts unknown.

You try out this load in that 35 gun of yours and I'll be whooped like a mule if you don't take a shine to it!

Coug

[buckeye509]

Coug,

Just passing by. Thanks for the info on the 35 Remington loads. I've a 336 in 35 R that I haven't shot much (a centennial model).  Now that I have the requesite equipment, it is time to try a few recipes. It is an easy shooter; recoil and noise wise, though I prefer to fire from the shoulder. :lol:  The only game I've taken with it was a nice hog about 200 or so pounds down in South FL. One shot from 15 yards was all it took to literally knock him off his feet (200 grain factory).

BTW nice site. Best use of frames I've seen.

[Reb]

Coug,

Thanks for the load you posted.  Once I get the rest of my reloading suppiles together for the 35 I will have to give it a try.  I have been trying to collect some info. on reloading it.

We had a good post going on the Beartooth bullets lever gun page about the 35 Remington and how hot it could go in a Marlin.  Since you have so much experience with the 35 Rem. I would love to hear your input on that subject!


Thanks again,

Reb

[Rick Teal]

My .35 is on a Remington 760, and I load pointed bullets, but I find that 37 grains of 3031 will give me about 2050 fps with a 200 grain bullet.  I have yet to test it with 220's.

[coug2wolfs]

We had a good post going on the Beartooth bullets lever gun page about the 35 Remington and how hot it could go in a Marlin.  Since you have so much experience with the 35 Rem. I would love to hear your input on that subject!

Reb

Once knew a dude, who shall remain nameless, rest his soul, who ran nothing but Weatherby rifles.  It was not at all out of vouge for him to walk into "Greasy Pete's" Gunshop and walk behind the counter, grab a brand new Wby, and tell the owner he was going out to shoot it.  If it shot, he would buy it.

What he put through those rifles for loads would make normal folks, and the ballistics boys cringe and break down in tears.  Brass was good for the one fire.  The primer was blown out and the cases stuck so bad you had to use a plastic mallet to open the bolt!  He was doing 4000 fps when others were just thinking about it.  That alone stands testimony that Weatherby does in fact build some phenominaly safe rifles.

Now the guy was an idiot you say.  I'd tend to agree.  Except for the fact that I have never met another man who could out shoot him!  On a good day, the average man wears a huge smile if he busts an inch at 100 yards with hunting loads, and that's off the bench with all the stars lined up.  This character could do that at 300 yards...........OFFHAND!

Like everyone else, I got suckered in.  You see, he didn't do much bragging about his talent, kept it kinda quiet if you know what I mean.  One day we got out of the truck and he loaded up a 7mm Wby Mark 5.  How far you think it is to that sign down by the river he asked.  Took me a while to even find it.  Has to be some on 700 yards, maybe even 800 I said.  Bet I can unload this rifle in it from here.  Stupid me, bet what?  $10 he sez.  Dumber me, I figure he's at least going to lay accross the hood of the truck.  No Sir!  He stands there and fires one, hammers the bolt open, fires another, kept doing it until the gun was dry.  Me, I was already spending the $10!

Took some to get there but I was about 15 yards or so from the sign when I saw the holes.  I'm tellin it straight boys, there was 4 new clean holes in that board inside of a 3inch inch group, plumb center.  Figured he staged it, must have shot it before we got there close up and missed em all from where we were.  So now I bet him $20 he can't do it again.  He smiles.  We go back, he lights em up again.  We walk, I pay!  Never seen the likes of it.

So what's the moral to the story, load em hot?  For him, he could pretty much do what he wanted, he obviously went beyond safe, knew what he was doing, and it worked for him.

Me, I'm getting the jitters when I see a primer get flatish.  The load I called out above for the 35 Rem comes out of the chamber at the same temp it went in at.  50 cases would last a man a lifetime of reloading with that load.  It never made much sense to me to try an get a 35 Rem to equal a 35 Whelen, just never was intended to do that.

If I had to guess, I'd say I have shot ..........hmmm, been a lot of years, a lot of guns, maybeso 5000 different rifles.  Ran handloads in most of em too.  If someone was to put me in a corner and ask for a load RIGHT NOW on account of they got no time to work one up, they're going huntin, and regardless of caliber, I would say pull a reloading manual for the maker of the bullet, drop the max load 2 grains and go hunting.  Of course I'd reccomend they sight in with the load :wink:

Each gun is different, there are a lot of variables to consider.  But if you do it enough, you find pet loads that work in 99% of the rifles in a given caliber.  You know it so well that the 1% that won't perform are turkys and you dump em early in the game.

A buck deer that gets hit in the lungs with a 200 grain Remington Core Lokt, out as far as 125 yards or so, maybe 150 on a good day, well, he's going to be meeting his Maker in right short order  I do not believe that another 200 fps is going to get him there any faster.  Another 1000 fps, maybeso, but then you aren't going to get that much no matter how much you push the envelope in that particular rifle.

There are all kinds of folks that make up the ranks we call ourselves as hunters.  Being honest, there are not many real riflemen left among us.  Can't be, we all spend our lives working full time, hunting part time, except GB

Take a look at the deer in the butcher shop, where are they hit?  All dead center lung shots?  Some have broken legs, some hit in the hams, some ripped out spines, some even shot in the throat!  Are we to assume that's where the hunter was aiming?

A shot can go bad for a host of reasons. Flinching is a big one, but of course none of us do it.  Interviening brush, the game moved, or maybe it had made you and is all pumped up with adrenalin.  Lot involved in clean killing.  What we hope for, the perfect one shot in tracks kill does happen, but not as often as we'd like.

And when it DON'T happen, it's never OUR fault, had to have been the gun, the load, the bullet.  Maybe if I'd a had a 300WSM instead of this -06 it would have killed em square.  Nah, good shooting is good shooting and bad is bad.

Long as I've been alive, Remington has had some of the best bullets out there in as far as performance on game.  They can be beat in the accuracy department, but then they never were designed to be match bullets.  Think about it, nobody equaled them until folks like Trophy Bonded came along and started fusing cores to jackets.  Remington had it right a long time ago.  Now even Remington recognizes the market for the premium bullet and they load Scirocos in their brass.  Truth be known, both perform the same in game, one just costs a heck of a lot more than the other.

Jacket/core separation in game bullets can be a BIG problem, especially on the larger stuff, critical on the dangerous stuff.  That's why Nosler went to his Partition, that's why Hornady Interlocks em, that's why Speer hot cores em, that's why they get bonded or fused.

Out of all of it, the bullet is what gets the job done.  It must be accurate enough to stay in the vitals, and it has to behave properly to get the job done right.

For my 2 cents, focus on that, and let the velocity land where it may.  I'll keep mine to the cool side. Besides, if you ever buy a gun from me, you'll know it hasn't had the metal stressed from hoss loads :lol:

Coug

[Ken in SENM]

Coug,

I'm pretty new here, with no credentials to speak of, but I can recognize experience and valuable advice when I see it. For whatever it might be worth, I totally agree with what you have just said about loads and loadings and shooting at live stuff. I also would like to go on record as recommending what you have just said as excellent advice for any one who is willing to listen. Sometimes, our minds get so closed or so focused on something or other that we can't see or forget the whole picture. There ain't really nuthin' new, is there? Some of us just has to figger out the same old things for ourselves.

What you have said has the potential to save lots of time and grief for anybody who is willing to listen. I have printed off what you said, and I intend to read it about once a month for a year, and then again about ever three months, just to make sure I remember!! Thanks for sharing this really good advice and information.

[coug2wolfs]

Thank You Kindly Ken

If there is something to look forward to as one ages, it surely is the wisdom one gains from the experiences of all those years.  Of course, much to my embarrassment, many of the things I now know, I learned through making the mistakes, some of them, darn expensive ones too :wink:

"It is a wise man who learns from his mistakes, a wiser man yet, who learns from the mistakes of others"

The boards can be a mixed up affair at times.  Youthful exuberance after a kill sometimes makes a pup come accross as an authority over a single kill.  The adrenalin is still flowing, the excitment is still high.  It's what hunting and the sport is all about.  Sometimes a seasoned character picks up on it and then the sparks fly.

But you can tell a man by his words, folks like Graybeard speak and folks listen, because they know he's telling it straight.  And if he don't know, he'll not mince words on it, nor will I.

This forum is gifted with a wealth of knowledge, free for the asking and the sharing.  Of course the off side to it is, we old folks can be stubborn as mules and set in our ways.

I have to try and keep an open mind about new product developement.  Just because the tried and true has served me well, that don't mean the new whizz banger won't do it even moreso.  Myself, I just have a hard time trying it because I don't want to leave what I know works :wink:

I was honored last week when GB asked me to moderate here and have promised to uphold his beliefs of what a good hunting board should be.

Thanks once again Sir for your kind words.

Coug

[Burnsome]

I say amen to that and thanks to all.  Your experience in these areas will save me a lot of time and set me on the right path for (hopefully) years of enjoyment with the 35 marlin and load experimentation... :lol:

[86er]

I recently had the opportunity to pick up a real nice Remington model 14 pump rifle in .35. I've never loaded for the .35, but plan to do so soon. How strong is this action? Does anyone have experience with this gun? Thanks, y'all.

[EDG]

>>>How strong is this action? Does anyone have experience with this gun?<<<

I have shot a .35 cal. 141 made in 1946 some. The rifle is near mint so I can't say what a beater might do but this one works fine with the loads listed in the manuals. The single forward locking lug is massive so I suspect as long as you don't over expand the thin 35 Remington brass with a hot load it will always work. An expanded case might lock it up so extraction is hard, but I don't think a sane loader will harm one. For the record I have tried some hotter loads in a 35 caliber 760 Remington and the brass expands to a very sharp bulge at the junction of the head and the very thin case walls. The 760 worked fine with such loads but the brass does not.  So to be safe with your Model 14 start out with brass in good condition and use loads that you can verify by 3 or more manuals as safe. Keep an eye on the expansion of the case where the walls join the case head. If you start getting a faint bulge more than half way around back off. You might verify this - you might compare your loads to factory ammo using the same brass.
Ed