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Daily Tidbit - The Confederacy still exists today.
« on: November 01, 2008, 01:47:59 PM »
"History" teaches us that The American Civil War ended when Robert E. Lee surrendered The Army of Northern Virginia at Appomattox in April, 1865, and with that surrender, the Confederate States of America ceased to exist. But did it?
While Lee did surrender his forces, which made up a substantial portion of the Confederate Army, his surrender neither ended the War, nor the Confederacy.
Taking a closer look at these events that, while eventually ending the bloodshed, they never have brought an end to the C.S.A. (legal or otherwise).
In the spring of 1865, Lee only surrendered his fighting forces to Grant. A formal end to the War was never signed by ANYONE on either side. Only a cessation of hostilities was informally recognized. The men just quit fighting. The Confederate States of America was never dissolved, and as such, She still exists to this day, even if in name only, according to international law.
But for the Confederacy to STILL legally exist, it had to legally exist in the first place, which a great number of people deny.

BOMBSHELL !!!!
The Confederate States of America was actually recognized as having been a legal, separate country by none other than... The United States of America.  Woahhh Nelly!!!   What?!?

This is going to be my topic on the next TIDBIT because it could literally bleed off into a hundred other threads at the same time. So to keep down confusion, we'll limit this one to the C.S.A. still existing.

 
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Re: Daily Tidbit - The Confederacy still exists today.
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2008, 08:20:20 PM »
Ok you have my interest, so wheres the beef? ;)
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Re: Daily Tidbit - The Confederacy still exists today.
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2008, 03:30:46 AM »
I need too see the refrence that a bill was actually written and passed recognizing this fact, as it is presented.
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Re: Daily Tidbit - The Confederacy still exists today.
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2008, 12:23:53 PM »
In order to fully understand what I'm about to uncover, we have to look at two very key events, both happening a full 3 years after the War. This is going to get detailed, though I hope not to get bogged down.

These events are the UNLAWFUL passage of the 13th & 14th Amendments to the US Constitution, in 1868. Let me explain...
First, let me break down both Amendments for those not fully aware of what they did.

The 13th is the "legal" document that freed the slaves. "Legal", that is, as apposed to the Emancipation Proclamation, which was not a legal document, nor a proposal for one. This Amendment is illegal, as described below.

The 14th was the punishment for the Confederates. Among other things, making it so no Confederate could ever hold public office or be a part of the gov't. of the US. This Amendment is illegal in a couple of ways. FIRST it it EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN by the 9th Article in the Constitution, as it is an EX POST FACTO law. Which, in simple terms means, if you do something that is not against the law, and a law is eventually passed, making that act illegal, the law is forbidden from going back and punishing you for committing the act before the law went into affect. Since the Federal Gov't. could not prove secession was an illegal act, the Confederates were illegally punished by an ex post facto law.
A FEDERAL Judge actually used this Amendment AGAINST the U.S. in the case of Jefferson Davis. It was a classic case of double jeopardy.This Amendment punished him and, the Judge argued, he could not be punished for the same "offense" twice. That's why he was released and never charged with a crime. Look it up.
The second way it is illegal is described below and also applies to the 13th as well.

Now you ask, "what do you mean UNLAWFUL passage of the 13th & 14th Amendments?"

Here goes...
First let's understand that the US Constitution REQUIRES that 2/3 of the states need to vote in favor of a proposed amendment for its passage. This did not happen as the US existed. Nowhere close. Of the remaining 22 states left in the Union, 15 was the magic number for either one to pass. Only 6 states voted FOR their passage, falling short 9 states for legal passage. 

Since this was during the beginning of the "Reconstruction" Era, the Fed flexed its muscle a whole lot.
The United States judged the Confederate States to be "Non States", and therefor NOT a part of the United States, since March 1861; Thereby unwittingly RECOGNIZING the Confederate States as having been a SEPARATE Country.
Re-Read that last sentence. No further documentation needed. Look it up.

The United States forced the Confederate States to perform the function AS a State, ALSO EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN by the Constitution, and made it a REQUIREMENT of these "Non States" to vote in favor of the passage of these two Amendments, in order to be re-admitted to the Union, for which they had just fought a War to get out of!! This would be the equivalent of requiring Canada, for example, to vote for an amendment for the purpose of admission to the US.

So, let's recap...
The US couldn't get the required votes to pass either of the proposed Amendments.
The US declared the Southern States to be "Non States" and therefor NOT part of the US since March, 1861.
As a requirement for re-admission to the United States, these "Non States" are required to perform the function AS a State, even though they didn't want to be in the United States.
ALL of which WAS and still IS ILLEGAL.

As completely incredible as all this sounds, it is ABSOLUTELY TRUE.

P.S. If the Confederacy existed then, as judged to be the case by the US, and that Government has never been dissolved, therefor, The Confederate States of America STILL exists to this day.
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Re: Daily Tidbit - The Confederacy still exists today.
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2008, 12:32:34 PM »
Makes total sense, but now what?  I mean, where does this go but this forum and some people you know?

The way the election is looking, I may have to use "Y'all" more and move down there  ;)
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Re: Daily Tidbit - The Confederacy still exists today.
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2008, 02:39:35 PM »
It is only logical at this point in time.
Itwas an illogical thought at the time they were passed.
too understand this one must look at the right granted during this point in time---just as one must look at the forbidding of any nazi too hold office after WWII, for a period of time but now is OK.
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Re: Daily Tidbit - The Confederacy still exists today.
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2008, 07:27:36 PM »
Very good SBG. If I may add; that the 14th was also passed in the Southern States while they were under Military rule thus The People had no say in its passage. Of course the Feds had already practiced that habit by taking over Maryland's elected officials and judges by the Military to keep them from voting to secede in 1861. 
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Re: Daily Tidbit - The Confederacy still exists today.
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2008, 02:07:52 AM »
Very good point, Ga.windbreak. Did you know that the state of Maryland is now officially recognized as a Confederate State, because of the aforementioned illegal act committed by the Federal Marshals (i.e., The US), and sufficient proof now exists that Maryland would have voted FOR secession, had she been allowed to vote.
This is also recognized in the 2000 Confederate Constitution. Yes, you heard right, the 2000 Confederate Constitution, revised as late as 2005. You should look it up and read it. In the absence of an active Government, it brings the 1861 Constitution up to date with all that has happened in the world since it was originally conceived and written. It is a very good read.
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Re: Daily Tidbit - The Confederacy still exists today.
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2008, 03:17:22 AM »
this is good !
If ya can see it ya can hit it !

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Re: Daily Tidbit - The Confederacy still exists today.
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2008, 04:29:16 AM »
I agree that Maryland would have seceded and been a Confederate state.
What does that prove?
It only proves that the Union took steps to protect themselves and keep the Confederacy from being able too attack directly into DC.
That may seem a point to you boys, but it just makes good, logical logistical sense too me.
I am not going too leave the doors unlocked just because a burgular complains that he has too work too hard to get into my house.
The Union never, ever had any intentions too allow secession to materialize into a permanent solution.
You boys know that and it is the entire basis for the conflict which followed.
It was the Confederacy's will VS the Unions will and we see the results.
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Re: Daily Tidbit - The Confederacy still exists today.
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2008, 04:32:58 AM »
We see it every day !
If ya can see it ya can hit it !

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Re: Daily Tidbit - The Confederacy still exists today.
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2008, 02:02:21 PM »
WL I'm truly amazed and saddened that you see nothing wrong in the President overthrowing a duly elected state government. But then again after some recent events in Texas maybe I shouldn't be.
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Re: Daily Tidbit - The Confederacy still exists today.
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2008, 09:11:05 AM »
WL, you cannot be serious. You actually think it is perfectly fine for the Federal Government to STOP a state from holding an election? This is an act so illegal there that were it to be attempted today, the President would be arrested and thrown UNDER the jail, which is what should have happened to Lincoln for the same reason.
If the state in which you live (I assume to be Texas) were to call for a vote on a topic that just didn't seem to sit well with President Bush, should he be allowed to send Federal Marshals to the Texas State House and have them arrest any member of Her Congress to prevent Texas from voting? NO !!! You DO understand this is EXACTLY what Lincoln did?
This can ONLY be legal in a monarchy, and since Lincoln wasn't KING,    HE BROKE THE LAW !!!! The Constitution FORBIDS such acts.

And people wonder WHY the South seceded?
"Let us cross over the river and rest under the shade of the trees..."
Final words spoken by Gen. Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson, CSA