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There is an oscure book I read call "good bye and thanks for all the fish" On November 17 The New Jersey legislater is voting to pass a bill. http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2008/Bills/A2500/2116_R2.HTM  I am not able to understand the legal mumbo jumbo ugh.  But as far as I can understand my collection shall be illegal to possess in the New year in this fine state of New Jersey. I am presently in panic mode. Boxing my entire collection and relocating it temporarily to New York state tonight. Then hopefully to its final destination of FT Lauderdale Florida. This includes one of my prized possions an 1863 springfield. Sorry for the mispelling but I am not a happy camper right now. I am a law abiding citizen who served this great country. I am wondering if anybody can read this bill and give me a better understanding. I am wondering if my display peices will become destructive devices in the new year. If so I am out of the game for now....Until I am able to relocate back to the United States of America

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Re: serious trouble in paradise, Anybody have knowlege in the legal system?
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2008, 04:09:24 AM »
Not to worry as far as I can see there.  I think only first page of a long-winded bill is at that link, but it has at the very top and bottom the words that should make you safe.  At top are words that separate antique firearms from post-1898 items, although this is only in the "definition" and I don't see the rest to see how it is treated.  At bottom are words that "grandfather" in anything you own now, whether it is defined as a DD under the new law or not.  You can also pass those down to heirs etc. and they then legally own them.

Hope that helps.  I suggest having someone familiar with legal terms, read the whole thing to see if there is even anything at all to sweat for you in this bill.

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Re: serious trouble in paradise, Anybody have knowlege in the legal system?
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2008, 04:47:03 AM »
Personally; if I were worried about it and planning to bring my questionable passessions to New York State, I would check the laws of NYS first, before the transfer.  You may find that there is a similar statute in the Penal Law. The Sullivan Law of 1898 is rather comprehensive.  What I have just read, makes The Hitchhicker's Guide seem to be reality. It's all; way out there!

I remember 25+ years ago, reenactors trailering a cannon on the N.J. turnpike, on their way to the Gettysburg' whoop-de-do, were stopped and made to dismantle their piece on the side of the road before proceeding, e.g. the barrel and wheels had to be pulled off the carriage.

The laws are out there just waiting for the necessity to be enforced. If you don't plan on shouldering your 1863 and marching through WalMart, I wouldn't be overly concerned. You would be surprised to find what is already on the books.  Enforcement can be contingent upon and a matter of interpretation.  That's why lawyers make the Big Buck and legislators are lawyers.  They keep the ball rolling.

If you really want to worry about your possessions and individual freedoms, think about the broad brush of the Homeland Security Act that was established for your benefit over the last few years.  Spooky stuff!  Life goes on. Just don't go rubbing authority's nose in it.  

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Re: serious trouble in paradise, Anybody have knowlege in the legal system?
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2008, 05:36:00 AM »
Although not specifically covered by the rules of the forum, this post is not in keeping with the spirit of the rule and I am going to lock it down.

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We also are not going to have a debate over what the GCA  and NFA says or doesn't say.  There is already to much misinformation on the internet and we are not going to add to it.  Tim and I are not Lawyers and not qualified to give legal advice on the GCA or NFA. Please see your nearest U.S. Attorney for legal advice on the GCA or NFA

It's not that we don't care or emphasize with you, it's just that cyber-lawyer advice won't stand up in court.  As we say in the rule, there is just to much misinformation on the internet and we are not going to add to via this board.

I suggest you contact the NRA and their lawyers for advice.