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.25 ACP conversion
« on: November 19, 2007, 11:47:24 AM »
How come I have to look over several pages before I could find the info about the .25 ACP conversion?
I did not find it in the FAQs at all.

How about a sticky just for the info and links to the .25 ACP conversion?

Basically you go to Precision Rifle web site and pay them $59, right?

Does the muzzle loaders need the extractor/ejector fix?

What am I missing?

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Re: .25 ACP conversion
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2007, 03:00:53 PM »
There's a sticky in the Modern In-Line Muzzleloading Forum:

www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,44683.0.html
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Re: .25 ACP conversion
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2007, 04:38:59 PM »
Quote from: snapcrackpop on November 19, 2007, 11:47:24 AM
How come I have to look over several pages before I could find the info about the .25 ACP conversion?
I did not find it in the FAQs at all.

How about a sticky just for the info and links to the .25 ACP conversion?

Basically you go to Precision Rifle web site and pay them $59, right?

Does the muzzle loaders need the extractor/ejector fix?

What am I missing?



I wish we had a sticky for the FAQ's on the Huntsman/Sidekick, but we don't. A lot of valuable information gets flushed all the time, but that is the way it is.

You can buy direct from Cecil at PR Bullets or buy from either one of his distributors in the States.

Here are a couple other options, and they have priming/de-priming kits too. Check 'em out.

http://www.bpbullets.com/index.html

http://www.thebuckskinner.com/index.html


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Re: .25 ACP conversion
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2007, 04:50:10 PM »
I just emailed Cecil with my credit card info, told him what I needed, and he emailed me back the next day and told me he would take care of it.  A week later i got the plug and 12 pieces of brass from him.  A totally painless transaction. 

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Re: .25 ACP conversion
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2007, 07:28:06 AM »
I came to GB because of the handi rifle info, so after looking at the ML info I didn't even think to check the general ML forum.

What about the extractor/ejector thing?
Is that for MLs?
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Re: .25 ACP conversion
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2007, 11:02:57 AM »
Snapcraklepop,

The ejector/extractor only pertains to rim or centerfire rifles, not H&R ML.
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Re: .25 ACP conversion
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2007, 06:05:25 AM »
Quick, WLScott  or whoever,
Could you add this link to the FAQ?  I like this information and it has an actual picture of the kit.
http://www.thebuckskinner.com/breech_plug.html


Also, another silly question.
Can you fire a .25ACP bullet from this ML setup?  I have yet to hold one in my hands and wonder what the other end of the breech plug looks like.
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Re: .25 ACP conversion
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2007, 06:29:22 AM »
Definately cannot fire a .25ACP cartridge from this. The counterbore section of the breechplug is just deep enough for an empty brass with primer to drop into it. The end of the breechplug still has a small touch hole just like the standard breechplug for the fire to enter the powder chamber. If it were wide open the powder would go into the brass and the resulting pressure back into the action would be a disaster. It would also make the rifle illegal by the FFL rules and the person making such a conversion would be liable for a crime and serious jail time as well as probably getting a felon conviction making ownership of firearms impossible from then on.
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Re: .25 ACP conversion
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2007, 06:31:18 AM »
Topic is now a sticky. ;)

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Re: .25 ACP conversion
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2007, 05:23:39 AM »
What is the advantage of the .25 ACP conversion?  I have a .50 caliber Huntsman.  I shoot a 240 grain saboted .45 caliber hollowpoint ahead of three 50 grain 777 pellets.  I use the 209 primers.

When the regular gun season here in Alabama goes back to bucks only, I will start using my ML because does will still be legal with it.
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Re: .25 ACP conversion
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2007, 12:30:23 PM »
From what I have read on other web sites the 209 primer has to much power in them witch could result in a fly off. The test was he put a 209 primer in and put a cleaning patch on ram rod and inserted it into the muzzle and pushed it all the way to the bottom of breach pulled the trigger the ram rod came up 7". Then He installed the .25 acp and repeated the test the result was 1.5". he stated the Sabot cup (the side to the powder ) will lift slitly and cause a fly off. I am thinking of purchasing one for my new future side kick. and still doing more research on this. Think about it a little #11 cap fires a properly mantained smoke pole so should the .25.Also the .25 is cleaner over a siting of 20 or so shots and who does that.Note thought I would ad this info the huntsmen is rated for 100 grains of powder be carefull .I only shot with 80 grains in my TC Scout kind of cool when i her my harnady hit the deer SPLAT !
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Re: .25 ACP conversion
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2008, 12:11:38 AM »
does hubbard outdoors offer 25 acp kit?
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Re: .25 ACP conversion
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2008, 05:42:25 AM »
Quote from: deerjackie on January 10, 2008, 12:11:38 AM
does hubbard outdoors offer 25 acp kit?

No. I was trying to get him to make me a carrierless 209 plug for the newer Huntsman/Sidekick 4-5 years ago, but as far as I know he only makes them for the older ones.

http://www.hubbardsoutdoorproducts.com/
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Re: .25 ACP conversion
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2008, 06:25:06 AM »
Ok, I understand the .25 ACP brass containing the primer in the breech plug...but how do you remove the brass when you have fired a shot?  Does it come out with just your fingers or is there a tool required?

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Re: .25 ACP conversion
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2008, 06:45:13 AM »
Quote from: Paints-n-cows on February 17, 2008, 06:25:06 AM
Ok, I understand the .25 ACP brass containing the primer in the breech plug...but how do you remove the brass when you have fired a shot?  Does it come out with just your fingers or is there a tool required?



Just fingers.
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Re: .25 ACP conversion
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2008, 01:53:52 PM »
CZAR, sorry but you are incorrect about the Huntsman  being rated for oly 100 gr.  I have the manual in front of me now and the loads table states the standard load, powder only, 40 - 120 gr.  Maximum load, pellets only 150 gr.  This is for both conicals to 490 gr. and sabots to 300 gr.  Page 13 Owners manual, NEF Huntsman.  Pete
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Re: .25 ACP conversion
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2008, 02:23:44 PM »
It is cold here during ML season, 30 degrees is toasty warm.  Usually it is zero to 20 above.  Which is easier to use, with gloves on, the .25 or the 209?  I think, perhaps the primer carrier might be easier to handle.  Right or wrong?
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Re: .25 ACP conversion
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2008, 03:41:05 PM »
Quote from: petemi on February 26, 2008, 02:23:44 PM
It is cold here during ML season, 30 degrees is toasty warm.  Usually it is zero to 20 above.  Which is easier to use, with gloves on, the .25 or the 209?  I think, perhaps the primer carrier might be easier to handle.  Right or wrong?

My thought would be is that it would not matter, as you are going to get one shot, and then you remove your gloves, or if you are like me you are barehanded with a pocket type handwarmer and you reload and reprime. If I've killed the animal I would not even bother to reload.

If you have gloves on, to me it would be hard to reload. With gloves on the 209 primer carrier is easier to handle, but then you still have to reload. I for one can't get a bullet started with gloves on.
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Re: .25 ACP conversion
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2008, 07:59:57 PM »
Quote from: petemi on February 26, 2008, 01:53:52 PM
CZAR, sorry but you are incorrect about the Huntsman  being rated for oly 100 gr.  I have the manual in front of me now and the loads table states the standard load, powder only, 40 - 120 gr.  Maximum load, pellets only 150 gr.  This is for both conicals to 490 gr. and sabots to 300 gr.  Page 13 Owners manual, NEF Huntsman.  Pete

petemi,

Neither one of you are incorrect. You have to remember that there were more Huntsmans than just one configuration. Yours is undoubtedly a 26" MAGNUM rated Post 2004 Model, CZAR's is probably a 24" standard Model like my Pre 2004 Stainless Steel 24" Model that was made in 2003. NEF never even made a 26" barreled version until 2004. Then in 2005 they made another change from the old 7/8" diameter breech plugs to the current 5/8" breech plugs. The recommended maximum powder loads and bullet weights were changed accordingly, so the information for YOUR Huntsman may not be safe in the older 24" Huntsman barrels. I really think it is more of a powder burn issue than a safety issue, a longer tube will give you a much more complete powder burn, if your barrel is too short you are just wasting powder and increasing your recoil.

This is what it says in the 2003 Huntsman Owners Manual for the 24" barrel with 7/8" breech plug. Disregard the .45 caliber information, that never came to fruition.



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Re: .25 ACP conversion
« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2008, 08:17:18 PM »
Quote from: petemi on February 26, 2008, 02:23:44 PM
It is cold here during ML season, 30 degrees is toasty warm.  Usually it is zero to 20 above.  Which is easier to use, with gloves on, the .25 or the 209?  I think, perhaps the primer carrier might be easier to handle.  Right or wrong?

Petemi,

The carrier can be easier to handle with gloves on, however it can be counter productive because sometimes the 209 primer actually slides out of the carrier when they are cold. I use a inline 209 capper that T/C sells for my .25 ACP. It looks like a "T", has a lanyard to hang around your neck. The .25 ACP brass (4 or 5) just stacks up in the tube, it has a soft rubber tip that holds the prime in place until you are ready to use it. You use it like a syringe and just inject your next loaded .25 ACP brass into the plug. Much faster than fumbling with a orange carrier that may or may not still have a 209 primer in place. Much cleaner too.
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Re: .25 ACP conversion
« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2008, 02:51:39 AM »
Busta,  That T/C gadget sounds great.  Easy to use.  Thanks
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Re: .25 ACP conversion
« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2008, 10:00:20 AM »
petemi,

I finally got around to taking some pictures today. This is the .25 ACP capper that I have been using for the last 3 years. It is designed for 209 primers and holds several of those, but will hold 4 .25 ACP cases inline as shown. These work great to get into tight spots and can easily be done with heavy gloves on too. The pics will tell the rest of the story.





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Re: .25 ACP conversion
« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2008, 03:16:44 AM »
Sorry for the late addition..

I'll post my question in a new post.

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Re: .25 ACP conversion
« Reply #23 on: November 10, 2008, 11:46:25 AM »
I  just found and got one of these T/C   "T" -type cappers on ebay . That is the ONLY place I was able to find them!    Ken
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