On the subject of Gun Control....

[lik2hunt]

A little Gun History Lesson


In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953,
about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded
up and exterminated..

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In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5
million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.

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Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total
of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves
were rounded up and extermin ated

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China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million
political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.

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Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000
Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.

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Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000
Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.

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Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one
million 'educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded
up and exterminated.

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Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century
because of gun control: 56 million.

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It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by
new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by
their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than
$500 million dollars.. The first year results are now in:

Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent

Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent

Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent20(yes, 44 percent)!

In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300
percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the
criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!

It will never happen here? I bet the Aussies said that too!

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in
armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in
the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey
is unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of
the ELDERLY. Aust ralian politicians are at a loss to explain how
public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense
was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The
Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.

You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians
disseminating this information.

Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes,
gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!

The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind him
of this history lesson..

With Guns...........We Are 'Citizens'.

Without Them........We Are 'Subjects'.

During W.W.II the Japanese decided not to invade America because they
knew most Americans were ARMED!

Note: Admiral Yamamoto who crafted the attack on Pearl Harbor had
attended Harvard U 1919-1921 & was Naval Attaché to the U. S. 1925-28.
Most of our Navy was destroyed at Pearl Harbor & our Army had been
deprived of funding & was ill prepared to defend the country.

It was reported that when asked why Japan did not follow up the Pearl
Harbor attack with an invasion of the U. S. Mainland, his reply was
that he had lived in the U. S. & knew that almost all households had
guns.

If you value your freedom, Please spread this anti-gun control message
to all your friends!

[BBF]

 
Good Grief, now it is 13 million, I keep hearing and reading it was 6 million. Where did the other 7 million come from?
 
I believe all of those countries had some sort of gun control or registration prior to the dates mentioned.
BTW. Why shouldn't any Govt be alarmed over a group of individuals that may be considered or are Enemies of the State and need to be rendered harmless??

 You mean to tell me that you would not want to disarm certain groups if you had the power to do so.

There is a difference between disarming specific groups of people and the general population.

[lik2hunt]

I simply quickly copied and pasted this from an email I received. Should have "Snoped" it I guess. I just hate it that this will be a major political agenda again soon. "Law" only applies to those who obey the law, therefore qualifying us to be the ones who best can help to uphold it, in the case of anarchy or personal threat.

[Mikey]

"There is a difference between disarming specific groups of people and the general population."  Yep, you're right about that and the easiest way for a government to go about disarming certain groups of people is to first disarm the entire population.  Don't forget that it is the law-abiding citizenry that will first kick over their rights and freedoms and then anyone who is left is an easy target without the support of protection of the entire population.

The six million were just the Jews.  The other seven million comprised gypsies, dissidents, communists, leftists, unionists, the Polish, Hungarians, Slavs and almost the entire population of different enthnicities and untotaled numbers of unarmed civialians throughout europe and Russia.  One reason the Russians had such vitrolic hatred for the nazi is because they found out later what the nazis did to the Russian towns and villages as they advanced toward Stalingrad and Moscow, and then retreated.  It is said that the Russian 'Black Widow' snipers would shoot any german found anywhere, even if retreating, for the atrocities they committed, even if there was only a chance they   could hit the soldier. Please do not forget that Guderian, one of hitler's henchmen, once asked hitler if he did not fear world opinion for his treatment of the jews and hitler's reply was 'why should I worry about what the world thinks of my treatment of the jews when look at what the turks did to your Armenians and nobody said a word".............

[Ray Cover]

Honestly, NO I would not want to disarm Certain Groups of individuals who may in fact become a threat to the state.

If you read the writings of Thomas Jefferson and the Federalist Papers of Hamilton, Madison, and Jay the true meaning of the second amendment comes to light.  The second amendment was put in place to empower the people against the government in order to prevent the government from becoming tyrannical.  The second amendment is not necessarily about hunting or personal defense but mainly about keeping the State in check.  Its very purpose is to be a "threat to the State"    Thomas Jefferson's own writings bear that out.

On the issue of "Certain individuals" I strongly disagree.  The second amendment makes no discernments about which people should be armed...only that "the right of the people to own and bear arms shall not be infringed".  There is no mention of felons or wacko cults or radical political groups. Simply if you are a U.S. citizen you have the right to bear arms.

I find it interesting that the courts and left wing lawyers find it necessary to "Interpret that".  The Bill of Rights was written for the people and to the people.  They are simple. They say what they mean and they mean what they say.  Any average person with the worst of high school educations can understand them.

The fact that Many Americans are prevented from owning a weapon already is an overstep of the second amendment.  Way too many concessions have been given already. 

No I am not a member of any radical groups just a free thinking American who refuses to forget what our founders had in mind when they wrote of true Freedom and Liberty.  I also beleive that men can disagree with one another without name calling or base accusations. Therefore, feel free to disagree with me but please do so respectfully.

Now I'm going to go to bed and try to get some sleep before the jack booted thought police show up.

Ray

[BBF]

Dunno,seems to me that juveniles, felons, radical militants, the insane etc are "groups" that you wouldn't want to be protected by the 2nd

Re name calling. I presume that wasn't meant for me.

[Ray Cover]

Not pointed at any certain person.  Anyone who has spent any time on ANY forum knows where I'm coming from on that.  There are trolls on most every forum I was trying to head it off if possible.

And Yes I beleive those groups should be protected by the second amendment the same as they are protected by the first,and all the rest.

If an man has been convicted and served his time to pay his debt to society ALL his constitutional rights should be returned. Period.  As for the wackos  and cult groups, we can't take away their constitutional rights based on what they might do or what might happen.  If we accept that as a valid premise we legitimize the current anti gun arguments.  The strongest anti gun arguments today are that people with a gun MIGHT commit a crime or the gun may get stolen and be used in a crime.  The current arguments are based on what might happen.

Freedom and Liberty are kinda like pregnancy and truth.  They are an all or nothing thing.  A society either is free and has liberty or it doesn't.  In this country we have the premise that ALL men are created equal. We cannot stand and say THAT group of citizens needs to have their rights taken away but don't touch mine.  If we are willing to say it is right to take theirs, then we legitimize the argument that is is right to take ours as well. 

Think about it, in the mind of the left wing liberal ALL gun owners are radical dangerous people who at anytime may go on a rampage.  To the ardent anti gunner you and I are no different than any radical group out there.

Ray   

[BBF]

 
I be willing to agree with you that we disagree on that

[Ray Cover]

Now see that's what the first amendment is all about

Aint the Constitution great!

Ray