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Offline ken2222

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how to prepare for euro
« on: January 28, 2008, 08:08:07 PM »
I kept two whitetail buck sculls that I'd like to prepare for a euro. Both are complete heads with skin hair ect...neither was frozen tho they've been around freezing for a while. Can I just go hang them in a tree and let nature run it's course or is there a better way? Thanks in advance.

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Re: how to prepare for euro
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2008, 11:58:54 AM »
My son has had good luck by cutting all of the hide and meat off the skull and then boiling them in a mix of a few chemicals and then scrapping and cleaning the skull inside and out.  That seems like a lot of work to me if there was an easier way.  Then my hunting buddy was telling me about his neighbor.  The neighbor just buries the head (hide, meat and everything intact) in the backyard after he gets it and waits until about June to dig it up.  Nature does all the cleaning.  You need to bury the antlers also so that the little rodents don't chew them up.  I have a head in the garden now waiting for June.  I put a couple of concrete blocks over the spot so that the dog or my wife doesn't dig it up.  The neighbor said that the skull looks a little dirty and you can then clean it off with some bleach water or just hose it off and spray paint it an off-white color.
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Re: how to prepare for euro
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2008, 12:47:28 PM »
I've done a bunch in the last few years.  I cape them, cut the eyes out, disarticulate the lower jaw, and put them in water.  It takes a few months in the water.  I dump the water after several days when it starts to stink.  The advantage is that the color is great and the bone comes out very white.  It also takes almost no work. 
Cutting the tissue off speeds the process up.

Here's some from last year:


Here's a close-up:


Different one:

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Re: how to prepare for euro
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2008, 06:01:04 PM »
Those look good.
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Re: how to prepare for euro
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2008, 04:13:14 AM »
where is a good place to find a low cost mounting plaque for these euro mounts. 

I let mine sit on the ground for 10 months, then did a quick boil just to clean/kill anything left over, and it looks great.

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Re: how to prepare for euro
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2008, 07:45:59 AM »
  There are a few different ways to get good European mounts.  You will reduce the time required for any of the techniques by removing as much tissue as possible prior to begining (removing all skin, the lower jaw, brains, eyes etc.).
1. Boil the skull.  Add a bit of dish washing detergent to the water to help cut the oils.  Boiling will break down the tissues and allow them to release from the bone easier.  Scrape and clean tissue off.  Boiling will also breakdown the connective tissues that hold the teeth in place, and some teeth may fall out.  If this happens, the teeth can be glued back in after everything is dry.
2. Stick the skull in water as mentioned above.  Bacteria which will begin to grow in the water will begin to break down the connective tissue and muscle left on the skull.  This technique works well, but it does stink and takes much more time than the boiling technique.  Change the water as often as you need to, but remember that each time you change the water you are reducing the bacterial populations, which will however build back up quickly.  Try to keep everything in a warm place while doing this technique.  Again it is the bacteria that are doing the work, and they need warmth to live.
3. Dermestid Beetles do a great job of cleaning skulls.  There are many places where you can send skulls and have them done for what I consider a reasonable price.  I know that you can also purchase beetle kits online and start your own colony of beetles.  Odor again will be an issue (i.e. growing a colony of beetles, and cleaning skulls under your bed may be offensive to your wife).
4. Burry the skull as mentioned above.  This will remove the tissue, yet takes a long time and may attract animals which may try to dig up the skull.  The skull may be stained by the soil.
5. Bag it.  remove tissue from skull as mentioned above.  place the skull in a plastic bag such as a garbage bag.  Poke a few holes in the bag (big enough to let flies and other insects in).  The insects will lay eggs on the decaying flesh.  Maggots will hatch and begin to eat  the flesh from the skull.  The garbage bag will help keep things warm and cozy for the maggots.  After the critters have done their job, clean the skull up with soap and water, and pick off any other tissue that needs removed.
  Regardless of what technique you use to get the flesh off, I would recomend a quick boil in water with some dish soap afterward.  This will pull some of the oils out of the skull, and help reduce residual odor.  The oils, if not removed, will often cause a yellowish color.
  After the tissues and oil have been removed the skull can be whitened.  I do not recomend using household bleach.  The bleach will actuall begin to breakdown the bone and cause it to become brittle.  This is no huge deal on the larger bones of the skull, but it does make a difference with the delicate nasal bones.  I prefer to use hydrogen peroxide.
  Hydrogen peroxide as purchased from a drug store is diluted with water, and not as effective as the "good" stuff.  Highly concentrated forms of hydrogen peroxide can be ordered through various sources.  I have used (with very good results) the stuff that is used to bleach hair.  Just go to the hair color section of any grocery store etc and get the stuff  with the blondest model on the box.  These usually come as a powder that is to be mixed with water.  Take it home, mix with water (enough to make a thin paste) and brush it on all parts of the skull that you want white.  You can then wrap the skull in another garbage bag, plastic wrap etc to keep if from drying out.  leave it overnight, and wash it up the next morning.  You could also add more water, and soak the skull in the solution.  This will remove coloration from antlers also, so if you want your antlers to remain dark, avoid getting the solution on them.
  One note on bleached antlers while we are on that subject.  Most of the coloration of antlers comes from staining of the bone with organic material after the animal sheds the velvet (dirt, tree sap, etc.).  Rubbing dirt, plant materials, and even coffee grounds on bleached antlers can be used to add that "natural" dark color back.
  If you are trying to do a eurpean type mount on any skull with horns (such as a pronghorn, mountain goat, bighorn sheep etc) you need to make sure to remove the horn completely from the skull.  The connective tissue that holds the horn to the skull needs to be removed as well.  The horns can be reattached when everything is done.  Again, this is only for animals with horns, not for animals with antlers (deer, elk, etc).
  Hopefully this makes sence.  If not, let me know.
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Re: how to prepare for euro
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2008, 01:51:31 PM »
cabelas also sells a great kit with all the materials and easy to follow instructions. it comes with a nice oak plaque as well.

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Re: how to prepare for euro
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2008, 06:30:40 AM »
here is mine, I did not bleach the bone




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Re: how to prepare for euro
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2008, 10:23:13 PM »
bajabill

 Which process did you use to clean yours?

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Re: how to prepare for euro
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2008, 01:36:52 PM »
used to clean buffalo skulls with hydrogen peroxide (the real stuff) not the weak mix you get at the drug store
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Re: how to prepare for euro
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2008, 11:02:00 AM »
Mine was skinned and set on the ground, under a bucket and rocks from November till September.  This left it pretty well cleaned, especially the brain cavity.  I boiled it just to finish it off.  No major scraping was required.  I have not bleached it.

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Re: how to prepare for euro
« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2008, 03:26:56 PM »
if you consider the hundreds of dollars invested from the time you buy your tag til the time it hits the freezer.....a couple bucks to have a pro do it is pretty cheap

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Re: how to prepare for euro
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2009, 02:03:46 PM »
Boiling the whole skull with the hide on for about 2 hours will give results similar to about 10 months outside or buried in the ground. All the hide and hair, as well as alll the meat, brain, connective tissue and fat, lower jaws and tissue will literally fall off the skull. It can be scraped to remove the remaining residue and then bleached with H2O2. Takes less than 24 hours from live deer to euro mount and very little elbow grease...

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Re: how to prepare for euro
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2009, 05:44:03 PM »
Fire ant hill?

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Re: how to prepare for euro
« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2009, 06:19:21 AM »
I was looking into the same thing after Elk season 2k7.  There are a number of kits online you can buy and lots of helpful directions.  I ended up taking my elk skull to a taxidermist b/c I lived in a condo and it was much cheaper to pay somebody to do it rather than get divorced.  I had the elk head in a plastic bag with most of the stuff cut off for about 4 days after the hunt until I could take it in.  My taxidermist semi scolded me for keeping it bagged b/c he told me Elk skulls are the softest of all big game and keeping it bagged wasn't good.  Since I bought a house this year I will do my own with a simple kit.  Sportsmen's warehouse carries one that's like $15 or $20 for the stuff (sans plaque).


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Re: how to prepare for euro
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2009, 07:44:03 AM »
if you consider the hundreds of dollars invested from the time you buy your tag til the time it hits the freezer.....a couple bucks to have a pro do it is pretty cheap

Hmmm, $25 for a tag, another $20 for shells, $20 gas for Ranger, $10 freezer bags.  And about $5 for propane/chemical and 3 hours of my time for the skull mount.  Must be doing something right...
Cost about $150 for a european mount around here.

http://www.wildlifeartistry.com/hints-european.htm

This is the method that I use.
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