nagant or mauser which one?

[Illhunter]

Hi all i am considering a new mil surp rifle and am wondering which is better for accuracy and power wise and if a mauser I like the german rifles but how do the yugo and turkish compare to the german ones probably should be seperate topics.

[TribReady]

if you can get a good deal on a German k98, take it first. then a yugo m48 (similar to the german k98 but a bit beefier stock) Both should shoot great.
I personallly didn't care for the turks--just too big/long


i'd take 8mm anyday over a mosin nagant, however, you will still need to eventually buy a mosin, just 'cuz

[woodchukhntr]

How much are you willing to spend?  You can get an excellent Mosin Nagant for the price of a beat-up Mauser.

[Mikey]

Get yourself a new or unissued Yugo M48 or 48A, they will be new Mauser 98 actions in 8mm.  They will or should be in much better condition than a wartime K98 and should shoot as well if not better than a wartime Moison.  Better yet, get yourself a new Mitchell's Mauser - they are either a K98 rebuild or a Yugo 48 size action but again, they are like brand new rifles. 

The Turkish Mausers seem to be a bit of a mis-mash of short action threads and the like and although surplus, some guys like them but they have not been made in so long I wonder why anyone would want to try a rather old surplus than a new rilfe.

Accuracy and power have both the 8mm and the 7.62x54R on par.  Both come with a variety of bullet weights at different velocities and most American made ammo for either caliber is the wrong way to go for effective hunting loads.  The European ammo is much better with both taking a 195-200 gn slug at about 2500'/sec...
JMTCW and HTH.  Mikey.

[Todd1700]

There are no certainties as to how any used military surplus rifle will shoot. In general a Mauser will tend to be more accurate than a Mosin Nagant of equal condition. That said however it is far easier to find a Mosin Nagant in near pristine arsenal refinished condition than it is to find a K98 German Mauser in equally good shape. And as a nice side benefit a near perfect  Mosin Nagant will cost about a third of what a K98 in even rough condition will cost. I also find that the longer 91/30 Mosin nagants tend to be more accurate than the shorter carbine versions. Powerwise the Mosin and the Mauser are pretty close.

how do the yugo and turkish compare to the german ones probably should be seperate topics

Don't know a lot about the turkish guns but if you are primarily a shooter collector like myself a m24/47 Mauser can be had very cheaply and in almost new condition.

[Spanky]

I have two Mosin's now and I like them both but I would say get a Mauser.
Mosin actions are not exactly the slickest thing in the world and the triggers are not the best either but they are reliable.

If you plan on using a scope I would definitely go with the Mauser as it seems to be easier to find good mounts for that action.

Power wise, I would say it's about a wash between the 7.62x54 and the 8mm.
Either round will do what you want it to do.

The safety on the Mosin's is kind of funky too.
I don't mind it for target shooting but for hunting it doesn't seem like the best idea. (my opinion)

If you plan on reloading it might be easier to find bullet's, dies, etc. for the Mauser (I'm just guessing on that?) I'm not sure of the availability of good bullets for the Mosin with the ~.310 bore. (again, I'm just guessing here) It may be easy to find components for either one.

If you plan on using a good aftermarket stock for either one it will be way easier to find one for the Mauser.
Alot of stock makers have them for Mauser's. There seems to be only a couple stocks available for Mosin's. (ATI being the best known)

Personally I think the Mauser offers a better, smoother action- more parts availability- better safety for hunting- etc.

One big thing between the two is price. You can find a really nice refinished Mosin for $100 or less sometimes and the Mausers seem to bring bigger money.

Take a look at both and see which one will suit YOU best.
Have fun choosing!!

(Again I am giving you my thoughts and ideas and not everyone will agree with me)



Spanky

[Illhunter]

I had a 91/30 which was pretty accurate but wasn't the smoothest action or trigger. I have also been looking at the yugo 24/47 because the price is fairly reasonable but am going to continue to look around and the k98's are pretty expensive when compared to others.  thanks for the info and help all I do appreciate it.

[darrell8937]

I have both the M48 and the M48A. one purchased from Mitchells(M48A) the other thru Gunbroker. I must say I love them both. The M48 I got for pretty much free.. in a way! I had the M48a and wanted a better trigger. I thought the military trigger was holding back on accuracy,, Boy was I right! I wanted  the performance kit from Mitchels but at 400 plus for the one with the 2x7 scope and target trigger rings, etc was just too much $$$. But I found a complete gun for about 350 with the kit and moj sights installed. The heck with the scope.. The m48 with the target trigger and mojo sights shoots great. I recomend the Mauser. Never owned a Nagant but are aware of their presence! I am soon going to reload! A must with the Mauser. The little round that could! If you are not aware,, the Mojo sight. come in a few varations. I have the dual apeture(non Micro click) . you look straight at the center of the target. while a bit diffrent, you adapt instantly. just by looking down the sight you imediatly know what to do,, how to aim,, no six oclock hold, or ather variants on sight picture! It just plain works. The scope sit paitenly on my other mauser! Lonley and unused. There is only one thing. The Mojo sight were dead on at 100 yards when I got it. I can't imagine why some one would get rid of it! Bad times I guess! Both my mausers look brand new. Both came with all the accesories. Bayonet, frog cleaning kit. bore guide, sling etc. Mitchels Mausers are more exspensive than many others but I have no complaints, all numbers match .. look great and shoot even better. I did have to dracticly change elevation when I went to the hotter Sellier&Bellot 196 GR . they shot much higher,, even at twenty five yards. ith the drastic diffrence between American and full power loads.. you have to choose and sight in for that round. Were not just talking a inch here and there at 100 yards. A big diffrence.

[torpedoman]

a lot of germans threw away mausers to grab the mosin

[TribReady]

That was more out of necessity due to the extremely cold conditions.  The mosins were less apapt to freeze up (whetther it was the "looser" bolt tolerances and/or the German oil/grease vs the Russian oil/grease)

Mosins are a blast to shoot but most shooters will still pick a Mauser as the "better" rifle

[cbxboy]

Hmmmm, drop a Mauser for a Mosin?  The freezing issue hadn't crossed my mind but I could certainly see how that would fall in favor of the Mosin......back to the topic at hand....buy them all

[darrell8937]

As far as the cold enviroment goes, we are living in the 21 st Century, though my ray gun and flying car are "Still: on back order!" We have access to modern lubricants and that changes everything. Any one have a good link on cold weather and rifle performance. Though Al Gore has promised Global Warming, so it shouldn't be a problem .. Tell that to the 200 hundred whales froze in by early sea ice in Canada! Brrr.. cold here in Maine! Never trust a Politician,

[torpedoman]

That was more out of necessity due to the extremely cold conditions.  The mosins were less apapt to freeze up (whetther it was the "looser" bolt tolerances and/or the German oil/grease vs the Russian oil/grease)

Mosins are a blast to shoot but most shooters will still pick a Mauser as the "better" rifle

When i first heard that i figgured that it was because of ammo shortages due to their overstreched supply lines and it was easier to get ammo off the dead russians

[Illhunter]

ok well thanks all for the help i haven't decided yet what i want to get. but have kind of narrowed it down to another mosin or a yugo 24/47 if for the 8mm, 91/30 for the 7.62x54 or i ran accross a brazilian 7x57 mauser any thoughts on those they aren't real cheap but under $200 for a mauser is pretty good price. i haven't run into a m48 so not sure of the current price for those. but thanks for the info and help.


Terry   

[galster69]

If you want to go Mauser, I picked up a VZ24 for $150 and it's supposed to be a very good action.  Lots of customs made on it.  My plan is to eventually build a customer .25/06 on it in the future.  Either way I've seen them in pretty good shape at gun shows, gun shops and pawn shops regularly for $150.  I've never had a mosin nagant but will be acquiring one here shortly.

[bluebayou]

my first thought is "future availability"

I am not talking Obama-panic, just real numbers.  If you have a line on a Brazilian Mauser for $200 then I would take a strong look at it.  You can get a Russian capture K98 easily enough for $250-300.  You can get a Yugo pretty much anywhere for $150-200. 

To me there isn't really any argument.  Sure, Mosins are drying up......but the Mausers, German, FN, or Yugo, are just better rifles.  They are more generally appreciated, more popular, therefore more scarce. 

I love my Mosin.  It is reasonably accurate in 21rst century terms....2-3 MOA.  There isn't anything wrong with Mosins, there are just more of them in play right now.

[1911crazy]

Here 's what i would do;

1st.  Get the 1908 7mm brazilian mauser (rare) and worth much more than $200. I've seen these hitting $500 a while back and even higher. Its 98 action in a 7mm.
2nd. Get a yugo 24/47 next these still maybe found in excellent condition.
3rd.  I'd go after a 91/30 mosin in a laminated stock or a hex stock if you don't have one.
4th.  Like "Mikey" says go after a yugo m48 too.  Years ago i found a brand new m48 in the box unshot at a pawn shop.

When ever i try to deceide which one to buy i always end up getting them all anyway. Just pick which one you want first and get them all 1 by 1. But the 7mm is the rarest one.

Anytime i see a 7mm mauser for sale i try to buy it most of the time if there priced right.  Wether its a chilean of one of the other south american countries 7mm.

Years ago samco had the 7mm chilean '95 barreled actions and some were from the Boer gold mines and were '93's these were a great buy for $89.  If you see any chilean 7mm with a matching bolt number jump on it thats rare too.