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Stock Finish Removers, Stains, & Finishes
« on: November 07, 2008, 05:34:22 AM »
Can you suggest products you have had good success with?  I don't mind ordering the finish and stain.  The stock is walnut.  I don't like BC Truoil.  I can't get it on before it starts getting tacky, and it looks like crap.

I like MinWax spray satin poly but it doesn't touch up well.  I'm looking for something that can be applied with your fingers, but doesn't take a month to dry.
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Re: Stock Finish Removers, Stains, & Finishes
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2008, 11:08:37 AM »
For Removal:
In a recent note I got from Brownells on workshop tips someone recommends Citristrip for any type of finish removal including the poly finishs used by Browning and some of the other major gun makers.  I have not had a chance to use it yet but I am going to give it a try in the coming months.  It is available, and is relatively inexpensive, at the box stores like Home Depot and I am assuming Lowes.  And it is suppose to leave the stock with a nice citris smell.

In the past, and I know I am going to get flamed for this, I have used the no smell easy off oven cleaner.  Don't leave it on long and flush well with water.  Wear a mask and rubber gloves.  I have heard all the horror stories, but used it for years with no adverse effects to the wood or myself (if you don't count the extra head growing out of my shoulder  :D )  Make sure to let the stock dry for a week or so before sanding, wiskering and then staining.

Staining:
For refinishing I use what ever color stain gives me the color I want. With the finish listed below I usually use a water or alchol based stain I get from the local woodworkers store (rockler).  Make sure to let it dry for a few days before finishing.

Finish:
Not sure that this will be your cup of tea but I have used a similar product just can't remember the exact name right now but it is the same 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 mixture and I think they are all pretty much the same.  Here is a link:
http://gunnyspaste.com/
It is a hand rubbed oil finish.  It give you a nice satin finish but it TAKES WORK, if you want something you apply and are done this ain't it.  Follow the instructions and you will get a nice waterproof finish that can be touched up so it is not noticable.  You put on a coat let is sit for 30 minutes or so then rub the dickens out of it with the palm of your hand.  Let is dry a few days and do it again.  As long as you wait at least a few days between coats you can spread the appliction process out as long as you want.  After the second or third coat or so I will use some 0000 steel wood to go over the dried finish to help fill the pores then start in again.  It takes a little time but gives you a rich old world finish that is durable, long lasting and easily touched up.  It just takes time.

Some folks will finish up with a furniture type polish to do a final Seal on the finish but if you do this it can make touch up a bit more of a pain as the finish cannot penatrate like it did before.

Just what has worked for me.  Good luck with your project and please bear in mind I am not a profession so what has been successful for me may give you different results....  ;)

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Re: Stock Finish Removers, Stains, & Finishes
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2008, 08:52:47 AM »
[I don't like BC Truoil.  I can't get it on before it starts getting tacky, and it looks like crap. I'm looking for something that can be applied with your fingers, but doesn't take a month to dry.]

No disrespect, but that sounds like you might not be applying the Tru-Oil correctly. I'll expand on that in a bit.

But, I'll start with a finish remover.
Since I found Formby's Furniture Refinisher, at WallyWorld about four years ago, I haven't touched sandpaper to a stock I was refinishing - just OOOO steel wool - except on an area that I might have repaired.
I even use the Formby's in any checkering the stock may have, cleaning it out with an old toothbrush.
It's super EZ, by simply following the directions on the can - then letting it dry overnight B4 staining/finishing.
Formby's doesn't work on an epoxy finish (I don't but guns with epoxy finishes anymore) - so a paint stripper like Strip-eeze or Citristrip would most likely be better.

If I want to stain a gunstock, I use a (or a mixture of two) Min-Wax stain. I use either Dark Walnut, or Red Mahogany (which adds a nice "Winchester" tone to a black walnut stock), or sometimes mix a little of them together first to make a third tone.
Again, I let it really soak in & dry overnight before applying any finish.

I've used Tru-Oil for over thirty years, and have changed the method I use from the jar directions to what works wonderfully for me.

First prepare a place to hang the oiled stock for drying/curing, where it'll be out of the way and preferably where no airborbe lint, etc, will contaminate the oil - I use a straightened, then rebent wire coathanger, hung from a cellar floor joist.

Lighty rub the wood down with a new, clean pad of OOOO steel wool (you're gonna need to buy a box of it from WW), to remove any dreck & leave the stock surface dead smooth.

Put the tip of one bare finger into the oil bottle to pick up a coating of Tru-Oil, and place that one drop at one end/corner of the stock to start.
Rub that single drop into the stock wood, expanding the area as you rub from the initial quarter-coin size to an area no more than the size of a one dollar bill.
Continue rubbing in the oil in that dollar-sized area until it starts to dry under your fingertip - the fingertip will start to "drag" and/or "squeak".
Stop, pick up another drop on the finger, and start a second area, adjacent to the one your just coated.
Repeat the rubout to dollar bill size, etc, til tacky-dry & repeat until the entire stock is oiled.
Hang the stock overnight to fully dry ! Don't be impatient - no wine before it's time.

For every subsequent coat, before applying the oil as posted above, rub the stock down bare (not "hard") with a pad of the OOOO steel wool and de-lint with a magnet & a clean cloth.
Again, let each coat dry a minimum of 8 hours before rubbing down/out & applying the next coat.

Stop oiling when the finish is where you like it and/or the wood pores are filled.

Oil the checkering and brush it in smooth with another old toothbrush (don't use the same one - it has remover on it) - and don't forget to oil inside the stock (inletting, under buttplate, PG cap, etc) too (I do the "hidden" areas first).

To cut a shine down to a satin finish, lightly go over the dried topcoat with a used pad of the OOOO steel wool.

I also optionally wax the stock with a good paste wax, like Johnson's.

A full stock strip/refinish will usually take me about 3-4 days, total, but the finish doesn't fully cure/harden for much, much longer - so be gentle with it for the first few weeks.


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Re: Stock Finish Removers, Stains, & Finishes
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2008, 12:10:56 AM »
Some people find that Tru oil is too thick and prefer to cut with mineral spirits to 1/2 or 1/3. Tru oil is about as good as it gets, I don't know of any miracle finishes. Try this - get some of that micro fiber cloth. You can find it in the auto parts section for cleaning & waxing autos. Cut into small pieces,1 1/2" or so, make sure that there is no loose strings or fuzz.
put a few drops of finish, 4 or so, on the cloth and wipe the stock down. You should not have to use more than 8-10 drops to cover the entire stock. This method should leave a micro film on the stock. after this, give a quick hand rub.
The down side is that it may take many finishes to achieve Your intended thickness. The last one I did received about 40, but I had all winter. With the application being so thin, I didn't have to worry much about picking up dust or lint, it is so thin that anything airborn seems to rub off. If you have to sand between coats, I use the finest synthetic wool I can find, but light sanding will take down more than a couple coats. Murphy's oil soap does a very good job of cleaning after the remover and before the finish. Make sure that the stock immediately gets dried from the water. I use a heat gun, very gently. Hope this helps.

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Re: Stock Finish Removers, Stains, & Finishes
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2008, 01:11:04 AM »
I've been trying to get Truoil to work since the late 1970s.  It always starts to dry before I can get an even coat.  I'm really looking for something that penatrates the wood.  Has anyone tried Lin-speed.
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Re: Stock Finish Removers, Stains, & Finishes
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2008, 02:22:28 AM »
I strip stocks by soaking them in a gallon of acetone a day of two depending on finish. The acetone also removes the oil from oil soaked stocks. I really like Tung Oil for my finish as its easy but Tru-Oil works for me also,think very thin coats. You can get better penetration if you heat the stock some in mothers oven 120deg is fine.Linspeed works but Tung or Tru-oil work better for me at my pace. If rugged is OK insted of pretty I've been doing some stocks for folks with Rattle can bed liner finished with clear coat and it holds up well and easy touch up.

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Re: Stock Finish Removers, Stains, & Finishes
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2008, 03:18:41 AM »
Swampman, you're applying the Tru-oil incorrectly.

These two stocks were both refinished by me, in Tru-Oil, using the method I described above.



You say "it always starts to dry".  Well, that's the whole idea.  Don't try to do the entire stock at once, simply rub/oil a very small area until it's starting to dry, then start on an area right next to where you stopped.
For instance, on the two rifles pictured, I only oiled the area behind the cheekpiece on one side until it was squeaky, before I moved on to just the surface of the cheekpiece, then half of the other side of the butt, etc, etc, working my way towards the forend tip until the stock was covered by one coat.

The "even coat" you're referring to, doesn't matter either - since the finish is designed to be removed down to the wood surface with every coat, leaving the finish in the pores.
It's only the final coat, after all the pores are filled, that's left on top to harden, and that too will even out with a final, but very light rubdown with a used (softer than new) OOOO steel wool pad.

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Re: Stock Finish Removers, Stains, & Finishes
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2008, 08:15:10 PM »
Citristrip and oven cleaner both work well.

For finish I prefer tung oil.  It rubs on and dries in 12 hours or so even with 90% humidity here in Texas.  I did my Handi stock with MinWax spray poly.  It durable and even.  But as you said, it is hard to touch up.  Oil finish is easy to touch up.  I never got Tru oil to work for me either.  Just looks like plastic to me.  Too thick and stayed tacky for awhile. 

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Re: Stock Finish Removers, Stains, & Finishes
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2008, 04:33:01 PM »
ive never had a failure with truoil. i usually sand the stock down and then scrup it let dry and apply the truoil i dont worry about to much the fisrt 4 or so coats then i steelwool it good rewipe wtth rag dipped in truiol to get the burrs off and then cut the truoil 60/40 with mineral spirits about 5 or 6 coats after that. it drys very quickly and no runs.

go to wincheser look at the vans reblue for a 69a i did and martini for a rifle i call the blunderbus for examples believe me im no expert but i have great luck]

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« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2008, 04:33:46 PM »
sorry about that go to rimfirecentral.com to look

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Re: Stock Finish Removers, Stains, & Finishes
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2008, 11:40:15 PM »
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it drys very quickly and no runs.

That's my problem, it drys too quick.  It starts to get tacky before I can get a smooth coat on the entire stock.
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Re: Stock Finish Removers, Stains, & Finishes
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2008, 04:09:02 AM »
If you don't want to cut it with mineral spirits, then cut it with a good boiled linseed oil. This will slow up the drying agents.
However, as I've stated before, apply with a patch of micro fiber cloth, 6-10 drops, wipe the entire stock, takes about 1 minute, set aside to dry. Sometimes the True Oil that you get is old, and is a little too thick.

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Re: Stock Finish Removers, Stains, & Finishes
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2008, 07:29:10 AM »
I use Zip-Strip paste paint remover.  Some people say it is too harsh on the wood, I have never had a problem.  After the finish is removed rinse it thoroughly with water.  This does two things, it help neutralize the stripper and the water will raise the grain of the wood that will produce a better final sanding job.  Let it dry completely.

 I don't like to stain the wood unless completely necessary.  A nice peice of wood with a good clear finish is hard to beat.

I use Tru-Oil almost exclusively.  First coat dilute 50/50 with mineral spirits.  Steel wool with super fine steel wool, dust it off and apply straight or with slight dilution with mineral spirits.  Dont forget to cover all exposed wood surfaces, even screw holes.  The more completely the stock is sealed the less effect moisture will have on it.

Three or four coats is enough.  If you want to cut the glosss use superfine steel wool with a quality paste wax as a lubricant and rub the whole stock until the desired sheen is achieved.  Buff the wax off and check the final product.  You can always re-apply at a later date if needed, simply remove wax with denatured or rubbing alchohol and scuff sand or steel wool and re-apply Tru-Oil.  Everybody has a different opinion, I have had very good results with the above.

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Re: Stock Finish Removers, Stains, & Finishes
« Reply #13 on: December 25, 2008, 08:17:06 AM »
 I have used with good success a product called Arrow wood finish...You put it on ever so sparingly and rub till its almost dry. It takes a while to fill the pores, so I generally use other products to fill with,depending on the wood. This stuff goes into the wood rather than sitting on top. Rub with fingers, you get satin, rub with a peice of paper, you get it a little more glossy.......Doing a 722 re stock with it right now.......Google it .....I bought it from  http://shootersolutions.com/

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Re: Stock Finish Removers, Stains, & Finishes
« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2008, 12:46:20 PM »
I've heard of Arrow. What is in it? I've used Minwax Antique Oil, and I like it. In fact, I have used tru oil / minwax 1:1 mix, and like this too. Also tru oil/minwax/boiled linseed 1:1:1/2. Maybe I'm expirimenting too much. but it is fun.