Time to secede?

[Gary G]

There is a method of revolution in this country. The vote.
Now a truly tyrannical government is another question. We do not have one yet and as much as you may disagree with this one---it can be a whole bunch worse.
Will be at some point in time.
Blessings

The vote is useless.   All you have to do is look at the propositions in California that have been overturned by Judges AFTER the masses voted their will.



How is our present government any less tyrannical than that of King George?  Our founding fathers could easily have traveled the road of least resistance, maintained most of their wealth and died old men.  However, they saw that the True Freedom of their offspring was a much greater legacy to leave.

You got it!! Case in point, our wonderful Bailout. We vote people into congress to do our will and then they do whatever they want.

"There are things that gnaw on a man worse than death!"

Ah well, you have to understand GW. They get paid well by the big banks and lobbyist of GM, etc.. This gets them on TV more times than the opponent during an election, assuring them of a continuous job at the public trough. This is why they will bail out GM and the rest irregardless of the opinion of the people. It is a representative government of the ones with the most money. It is easy to fool the people.

[Ga.windbreak]

Oh yes, I understand my friend, I would like to see us throw the bums out, as my srtepfather used to say. The public, at least 40%, appears to be very lethargic esp. in the off years as to our responsibility to vote. So sad. I have a feeling this is going to come back and bite us in the butt very soon!

[williamlayton]

40%?? In off years??
Hardly! Do you realize that this 60% voting was a 50 year banner. It is normally only a 40% vote---looks like someone did a good job of getting folks out.
Do you realize you are badgering most of the white folks in this country.
Too lazy too vote, now they must pay the piper and drag me along.
Blessings

[Ga.windbreak]

As it was once said "You can fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time; but you can't fool all of the people all of the time."

Sooner or later enought will be enought and change will come. I believe there is a core group who truly love liberty and our Bill of Rights/Constitution who will not let it disappear from this earth. We may have to secede to remain true to our founding fathers, I'm not sure, but liberty will not die; of that I'm sure!

[williamlayton]

In what form will it survive?
In the form of we the people or ME the individual.
If the latter it will mean returning too the stone age or the middle east.
If the first it will mean a clash of the vote. See which is winning that battle right now.
If this is freedom of we the people then the constitution has survived.
Blessings

[littlecanoe]

WL,

We the people was possible because of me the individual.  When we read the founding fathers we see the idea that individual freedom goes only as far as the point where other's freedoms begin.  That is a possibility only if people consider that they must live by discipline and personal accountability.  That is what was espoused by our founding fathers.  Eternal vigilance. 

If we stick with we the people and take that thought, without the understanding of personal responsibility, to it's natural end we have at best a Commonwealth which didn't work, or socialism/communism which has never worked.

[Ga.windbreak]

WL,

We the people was possible because of me the individual.  When we read the founding fathers we see the idea that individual freedom goes only as far as the point where other's freedoms begin.  That is a possibility only if people consider that they must live by discipline and personal accountability.  That is what was espoused by our founding fathers.  Eternal vigilance. 

If we stick with we the people and take that thought, without the understanding of personal responsibility, to it's natural end we have at best a Commonwealth which didn't work, or socialism/communism which has never worked.

lc, with all due respect and I know you know this, true liberty is possible because there are those among us who love liberty more than life itself. I believe it is a flame in the heart of every person though there are some who will sell liberty for convenience and the appearance of safety. As Ben Franklin reminds us though you then have neither liberty or safety. There are others who are good people but fear authority and are unwilling to act even at their own peril. The Jews in Germany for instance, first they gave up their guns and then they gave up their lives. Then there are those who stand on a wall and say " No one will hurt you tonight, not on my watch!" It really goes back to those 53 men who pledged their Lives, their Fortunes, and their Sacred Honor.

[Gary G]

WL,

We the people was possible because of me the individual.  When we read the founding fathers we see the idea that individual freedom goes only as far as the point where other's freedoms begin.  That is a possibility only if people consider that they must live by discipline and personal accountability.  That is what was espoused by our founding fathers.  Eternal vigilance. 

If we stick with we the people and take that thought, without the understanding of personal responsibility, to it's natural end we have at best a Commonwealth which didn't work, or socialism/communism which has never worked.

LC, I think you are exactly right. Their idea of liberty was the complete property
rights of the individual. "We the people" could be democracy, or rather mobocracy, where the 51%  laud over the 49%. I don't think they meant for it to be this way, hence a representative government sworn to uphold the constitution with it's complete Bill of Rights. It was completely based on an individuals rights and limited government only for protection against personal harm or being swindled.

James Madison stated the historic fact: "in democracy there is nothing to check the inducements to sacrifice the weaker party. There is no protection for liberty. Hence it is, that democracies always destroy personal security and the rights of property.

They were striving not for a democracy, for that had been tried before and failed, but for a new type of government.

Now, we have a "mom" government where individual property rights have gone to the wayside. Example; redistribute from the people to the failing businesses (bailouts). Where is my "right to succeed or fail" if I am a big bank? What bailouts do is to to take away from consumers and profitable businesses to save the jobs of the chosen few. Now if the consumers loose equal buying power and the profitable business loose equal capital to that given away by the government (it would be equal, because the government has no money), then the jobs lost equals the jobs saved. Stimulus is a fairy tale because it is taken away from the same economy that you are giving it too. Lord Keynes was the father of voodoo economics.

[littlecanoe]

Good responses guys.

Ga wb,  I don't know how accurate this saying is but it seems to make sense to me.  Liberty is a coin, on one side freedom, on the other responsibility.  That's what I was trying to say.  I do believe that you have aptly described that steel that is required to gain and maintain Liberty.  Here is a scary question.  Do we have that tempered steel in ourselves? or are we all about academics in this case?   Neither an accusation nor an observation.  Just a question that I've been asking myself.

[Dee]

lc the 2nd Amendment is to me, merely an acknowledgement of a "God Given Right" to keep and bear arms, as are all of our rights. Many are now worried about this government taking that particular right, which will no doubt have followup revocations of rights. I worry about what such a move will force me into, which is something that I dread, but will not back away from. We now live in a society whom most have never shed blood, nor seen it shed. I have done both, and have shed some of my own.
In today's society we have allowed our children to be educated by the government to quite literally tell on their parents if they so much as hint at defying the all mighty big brother. Will all children tell. Not likely but, some will.
Most below 50 yoa, have not a clue about the true history of our country, and don't particularly care. Some will stand and fight, and some will not.
There are three kinds of people in this world. Those that make things happen, those that watch things happen, those that wonder "what happened".
I for one take my liberties very seriously. There are things I will tolerate, and things I will ignore. They may pass many laws concerning more than just the 2nd Amendment. One must decide whether to obey UNGODLY LAWS, or wait for God to decide. He (God), has not indicated that I have to give up my guns, or freedoms without a fight yet. If he calls, I'll let you know, and you do the same for me. Until then, the government may decide what ever they please. My decisions were made long ago. I will decide how free I am willing to be, and what I will give up willingly, and what I will not. I ask for no help, and will expect none. Any that shows up I will be surprised, and delighted to have. Nuff said?

[phalanx]

We are winning ,the enemy cant seem to stop screwing up.


Tuesday, December 9, 2008

Hear me, oh you lost and depraved citizens of America.  Hear me!  For I am the dying voice of Liberty.

I beseech you to listen closely to the sounds of the death throws of your freedom.

Listen to the wrenching noise as the jagged cracks open up wider in Lady Liberty’s foundation.

The sounds of the angry sea of socialism pouring into the cracks at a rapid rate and eroding the fissures even more, echo in the distance.

The bedrock of our freedoms is being twisted, bastardized and perverted to make it agree with the radical agenda of human bondage, under socialism and radical environmentalism.

Listen as American sovereignty strains to the breaking point under the pressure of the international one-world-order crowd, that yearns to steal America’s wealth, resources and productivity for their own gain.

Listen to the agonizing screams of honor, integrity and honesty as they fall helplessly into the bottomless pit of depravity and corruption, never to be heard from again.

Hear the cries of truth and dignity as they convulse in contortions under the relentless onslaught of propaganda, distortion and lies from those who find individual freedom puts limits on their power.

Listen to the never-ending sounds of the printing presses as they spew out our public school text books with an altered history of America’s strengths and achievements, all the while denigrating our endless successes and brainwashing our greatest of all treasures, our children, that we are evil and gluttonness.

Tune in to the irrational pontifications of the leaders who have lost their honor, as they tear asunder our sacred constitution with one law after another.  Watch and listen as the media, aid and abet the vicious purveyors of our eventual enslavement.

My heart aches and my soul is in anguish over what the people of America have done to allow this destruction of their freedom, that so many brave souls gave up their lives so that we might live free.

It was all so preventable, if the people had just paid attention and realized that human nature decays into self-aggrandizement and narcissism, if left without guidance and accountability.  We have strayed far from the Supreme Law of the Land and our destruction lurks in the shadows.  The lust for power is only offset by the resistance to power and the resistance was just simply not there and it is still not there in sufficient strength today.

But wait!  Is that a faint sound I hear?  Are the sounds of freedom stirring in the heartland?  Could there be hope for the resurrection of America’s freedom?  Is there still time to ring the bell of liberty across the land so that all who seek freedom will hear and act on the sound?  I can only hope.

Again, I hear an echo rumbling across the land.  Has someone found a way to return America to its roots as a Constitutional Republic?  Out of the valley of the shadow, a soft cry is wafting through the trees, mountains and canyons where the independents and the self-reliant make their homes.  There it is again!  The word sounds like tafp, “T-A-F-P”.  Could it be that this is the sound, the word, or the vision that can lead to the rebirth of freedom?  Maybe the death throws of liberty are premature after all.  Can we breath life into this aging body that was given birth out of revolution?  Is there an awakening?  I must investigate further.





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[williamlayton]

LC
You are correct. Many did not vote responsible, most without a clue.
When do you then secede?
You take many "without a clue" along for the ride. What do you do with them? Do you eliminate them in a Holocaust? That statement may only seem harsh but then we have history,
What form of government if it is other that by the people, for the people?
How do we choose the leaders?
Perhaps we are going too have a Confederacy. That is a government of individuals only bound too another by treaty. Can they start war between themselves? If this war between theirownselves slops over too another do they call the law (what law). What if this person is a widow or widower? Root Hog, or die?
Again this seems a little simplistic for a much more complex situation.
What if we are invaded? What if my neighbor doesn't care?
Blessings

[Ga.windbreak]

What a great site phalanx, thank you!

As they say there is always something you can do. I'm reminded of the saying "All that is required for evil to win is that good men do nothing."