my 14 yr old killed his first buck today,nine points.unknown weight,we were miles from a road, we packed out the head ,cape and what meat was didn't have bullet holes in it.lol,we had a little chase,ended up backing him up my 358 hawkeye to finish the job.we had an hour 1/2 walk to get to a road,4 1/2miles away from our truck.we earned this one.last day of rifle season here in new york too.later,adker