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30-06 Encore
« on: December 19, 2008, 07:51:02 AM »
I have a problem here I have a new encore pro hunter with a fluted 30-06 barrel and I cant hit the broad side of a barn shooting 165 & 180 gr bullets standing in side of the dam thing. And as far as the triger goes I need a finger exercise to beef up my finger ;D
Has anyone got there 06 barrel to shoot the heaver bullets above 150gr? And if so what powder charge and bullet. TIA

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Re: 30-06 Encore
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2008, 01:37:36 AM »
I only shoot 150 grains. as for the trigger do a search I used the bend the spring method and dropped the pull in half.

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Re: 30-06 Encore
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2008, 04:30:26 AM »
A trigger job would make your rifle much more pleasant to shoot.

I shoot 165 & 168 grain bullets over Varget in my Encore and get 3 shot groups under 1 inch at 100 yards.  If you can't get your rifle to shoot acceptably with Sierra or Nosler match bullets, send the barrel back to T/C and have them fix it.

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Re: 30-06 Encore
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2008, 04:40:58 PM »
Ha Grumulkin & stanw thanks for the response, Grumulkin do you load those rounds up to the upper end of max or the lower end? I have been on the lower end of the Varget {41gr}and I was hoping that the upper end would shrink the groups down a bit.

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Re: 30-06 Encore
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2008, 03:56:05 AM »
I can't remember even one time when the lower load range for a rifle cartridge provided the best accuracy.  I use 48.0 grains of Varget with all 165 gr. and 168 gr. bullets in my Encore 30/06 in MILITARY cases.  As usual I would submit the disclaimer that what is safe in my rifle isn't necessarily safe in yours and that you are entirely responsible for your own load work-up.  An equivalent load with the usual commercial brass will probably be 1 to 2 grains more.

My favorite Encore 30/06 load uses 165 or 168 gr. Barnes TSX or Banded Solids.  Three shot groups with the TSX run about 1 inch at 100 yards and the solids go into about 0.6 inches.

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Re: 30-06 Encore
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2008, 05:03:06 AM »
I have a 24" carbine barrel in 30-06.  Load testing with Hornady 150 & 165 grain bullets and IMR4064 did not show any huge variance in group size. It will shoot about 2.5" at maximum dispersion to 1.5" at minimum dispersion.  That's pretty consistent. The minimum group dispersion was at (2) grain less than maximum charge for IMR4064, exactly the same charge that provides best accuracy in my old Remington 700 and Ruger 77.  Overall, I consider its accuracy adequate but not outstanding. Now, consider the fact that this is an interchangable barrel, break action rifle. The very fact that it is capable of shooting a 1.5" group at all is somehat amazing.  I plan on using exactly the same load for my Encore that I akreadt use in my other rifles.

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Re: 30-06 Encore
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2008, 09:37:09 AM »
Now, consider the fact that this is an interchangable barrel, break action rifle. The very fact that it is capable of shooting a 1.5" group at all is somehat amazing.

It's not amazing at all.  Every scoped Encore barrel I've had including handgun barrels have done 1.5 inch 3 shot groups or better at 100 yards.  The very best group I've ever shot was a 0.15 inch 3 shot 100 yard group with an Encore in 25/06.  If an Encore 30/06 rifle barrel won't do at least 1 inch 3 shot 100 yard groups, there is something wrong with the barrel, with the shooter or with the load.

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Re: 30-06 Encore
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2008, 04:34:52 PM »
I have a 28" 30-06 Prohunter . It will shoot 1.25 Groups @100 with Factory 180sp Winchesters.  It Loves Hornady 110gr V-maxs Over Varget .450" @ 100. It also  Likes 125gr Noslers Over Varget.750" @ 100 yards.  Those are Three shot groups Measured center to center. I haven't worked up any with the 150 to 165gr range yet.  The trigger On My pro hunter frame is great It's right at 3lb. Perfect for My big hands and fingers. You Might check your forend and be sure, it's not touching your frame. This will do funny things to groups.
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Re: 30-06 Encore
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2008, 01:05:30 AM »
How many bolt actions mounted in rock solid bedding systems are not capable of 1.5" 100 yard accuracy for 10 shot groups?  Plenty!  My old 30-06 Remington 700 BDL (1974) was capable of 1/2" 100 yard accuracy, but with throat wear, it opened up to 1.5" at 100 yards. My old 30-06 Ruger 77 Mk2 was a consistent 1.5" group gun.  My 308 Win Browning Micro Medallion has been a consistent 1.5" gun until 20 years after purchase, when I finally found a load breaking the 1" barrier. I have seen many rifles that simply will not break the 2" barrier, consistently shooting 2.5" to 3", including a Ruger 77 308 Winchester and Marlin lever guns. Even with a rock solid structure of the Ruger No. 1 single shot has a reputation for variable frequently very poor accuracy- so much so that E A Brown Co. sells a forend tuning system for the Ruger No. 1. 

For an off the shelf, break action rifle, interchangeable system to be as consistent as the Encore actually is- well I do find that pretty amazing. The barrel is not free floated. The tension on the forend screws change every time the barrel is replaced (unless you are using a torque driver). The hinge pin tends to move left and right and doesn't go back exactly the same every time you replace the barrel. Every barrel is different in the way it shoots. Considering all the variables, how can you not consider this an amazing system? What I find amazing is that these are not consistent 3" to 4" 100 yard guns. Instead, every now and then a cantankerous barrel shows up shooting 3" to 4", and T/C typically replaces these barrels. 

I think that the Encore is a pretty great system, but I don't think that it will ever be capable of competing with a Tikka T3 in terms of pure accuracy.  How many other out of the box sporting rifles are capable of consistent 0.5" to 0.75" accuracy with off the shelf ammo such as Remington Core Locks? Mine is so accurate, that there is little point in load tuning for it. If I were to find a 0.5" handload to equal the supposedly inaccurate Remington Core Locks, I would be delighted.  In fact, my handloading experiments have produced accuracy in the 1" to 1.5" range and I have yet to equal what I get with Remington Core Locks.  I don't think that I have the scope or the nerves to find the true accuracy potential of the Tikka T3.

Consider the fact that my Encore produces 1.5" to 2.5" groups while my Tikka T3 produces 0.5" to 1.5" groups, both with 5X scopes.  That 1.5" common ground is a pretty good point of comparison for an interchangeable system versus a pure accuracy machine.

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Re: 30-06 Encore
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2008, 01:38:37 PM »
How many bolt actions mounted in rock solid bedding systems are not capable of 1.5" 100 yard accuracy for 10 shot groups?  Plenty!  My old 30-06 Remington 700 BDL (1974) was capable of 1/2" 100 yard accuracy, but with throat wear, it opened up to 1.5" at 100 yards. My old 30-06 Ruger 77 Mk2 was a consistent 1.5" group gun.  My 308 Win Browning Micro Medallion has been a consistent 1.5" gun until 20 years after purchase, when I finally found a load breaking the 1" barrier. I have seen many rifles that simply will not break the 2" barrier, consistently shooting 2.5" to 3", including a Ruger 77 308 Winchester and Marlin lever guns. Even with a rock solid structure of the Ruger No. 1 single shot has a reputation for variable frequently very poor accuracy- so much so that E A Brown Co. sells a forend tuning system for the Ruger No. 1. 

For an off the shelf, break action rifle, interchangeable system to be as consistent as the Encore actually is- well I do find that pretty amazing. The barrel is not free floated. The tension on the forend screws change every time the barrel is replaced (unless you are using a torque driver). The hinge pin tends to move left and right and doesn't go back exactly the same every time you replace the barrel. Every barrel is different in the way it shoots. Considering all the variables, how can you not consider this an amazing system? What I find amazing is that these are not consistent 3" to 4" 100 yard guns. Instead, every now and then a cantankerous barrel shows up shooting 3" to 4", and T/C typically replaces these barrels. 

I think that the Encore is a pretty great system, but I don't think that it will ever be capable of competing with a Tikka T3 in terms of pure accuracy.  How many other out of the box sporting rifles are capable of consistent 0.5" to 0.75" accuracy with off the shelf ammo such as Remington Core Locks? Mine is so accurate, that there is little point in load tuning for it. If I were to find a 0.5" handload to equal the supposedly inaccurate Remington Core Locks, I would be delighted.  In fact, my handloading experiments have produced accuracy in the 1" to 1.5" range and I have yet to equal what I get with Remington Core Locks.  I don't think that I have the scope or the nerves to find the true accuracy potential of the Tikka T3.

Consider the fact that my Encore produces 1.5" to 2.5" groups while my Tikka T3 produces 0.5" to 1.5" groups, both with 5X scopes.  That 1.5" common ground is a pretty good point of comparison for an interchangeable system versus a pure accuracy machine.

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Re: 30-06 Encore
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2009, 12:04:45 PM »
My Encore does 3/4 @ 100yds  & 1 1/2 @ 200yds  with Nosler 165 gr Balistic Tips in front of 51.5 gr IMR 4895. I've NOT been able to get this gun to shoot any 180 gr bullet under 2 inches so far. To get where I am now I free floated the forend, replaced the lockup and trigger springs, shimmed out the breechblock for .001 headspace and installed a hinge pin that has an allen screw lock to prevent it from moving in the frame. I don't know how much of this was necessary as I did it all while trying to shoot 180's. I didn't try the 165 load till after all the other stuff was completed.
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