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Offline norville

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Checkering Questions
« on: August 12, 2003, 11:55:12 PM »
Hey folks,

My 30th is just around the corner and the wife want's to know what I want. Ever since I was a preteen I loved working on guns and refinishing stocks etc.. up to the present day. I've been reading some, and I think I got the bug for checkering. I know this is not something ya just do or pick up over night.

So my big question is: What do I look for in a starter kit?  I found  starter kits for $40, $60,  $90 and $800. I'm not looking production grade stuff just to fix and freshen up some stocks I have.

So where do I start? Any suggestions?

Thanks
norville

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« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2003, 04:05:38 AM »
Howdy, Norville!

Home-brew checkering is not witchcraft or black art, but some people seem to do it a lot easier than others!

I've only played with it, and only at a very low level, for re-freshening factory rifle checkering, pistol grips, etc.  When I get good and brave, I'll start on a $200 piece of wood.

Dem-Bart makes nice starter kits.  They come with several different line cutters and handles, replacement cutter heads, a bordering tool, etc.  The cutting heads are easily replaceable by driving out a holding pin.  The cutters DO WEAR OUT, so stocking up on replacement cutters is a good idea.  Brownells will have a large assortment of kits and tools, of course.  As I recall, I got mine from a local gunshop and shooting accessories store.

Something I had to learn the hard way:  PRACTICE ON SCRAPS OF WOOD, TOOL HANDLES, AND CHEAP GUNS FIRST!!!!  It's not technically difficult work, but does require absolute attention to detail, and not something to attempt when fatigued or careless.

Have fun!

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« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2003, 04:58:34 AM »
Thanks for the tips and encouragement. Off the top of your head could you list some starter items. I'm not sure what to order?? I see you mentioned some things, It would be easier for my honey to orded them. I was hoping for a good kit to start with the basics. Ya know. Kinda like the lee reloading kit.


thanks,

norville

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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2003, 07:53:38 AM »
Norville-
I can tell you my reccomendations but remember they are mine.  I freely admit to have personnal preferences.  I do quite a bit of checkering and love the work..  I have said that I do metal work so that I CAN do the stock work!!  I have come to use a powered checkering machine for the bulk of the wood removal but still finish with hand tools.  Reccomendations
--First--Buy the Monte Kennedy book 'Checkering and Carving Gunstocks'.  There is no substitute for knowledge and that book is one of the very best if not THE best...  I too use the DemBart tools but have also used the GunLine tools and for some jobs prefer them.  To get started you will need spacers, left and right, in the desired pitch.  I would advise starting with 20 lines per inch.  That's fine enough to look good and course enough to stay put on less that wonderful wood.  Use DemBart spacers on the DemBart handles.  Single line cutters are used to deepen the pattern once it's layed out on the stock.  I use 3.  A DemBart (file like teeth) which does the final pointing up, a GunLine(uses courser teeth cut into the 'V') for the bulk of the removal because it is resharpenable.  These tools are used in 'push' mode but the 3rd is used in 'pull' mode.  DemBart calls theirs the 'S-1' tool.  The blade is 3/16 inch long and in use it is set down on at the edge of the pattern, in a groove and pulled toward the center of the pattern.  This allows the lines to run up to the very edge of the pattern with absolutely no chance of a runover.  I much prefer the 2 single line cutters(push) to be set in Brownells 'fullview' handles.  These handles have 2 small shanks connecting the cutter holder to the handle and greatly add to the control I have over the cutter.  This leads to many fewer runovers.  Bordering tools (mullering tools) and other specialty cutters are not really mandatory.  The use of border tools was once looked down on as a way to hide runovers.  It has of late become a fad, one I do NOT care for, you of course can choose for yourself.  The one special tool I can reccomend is a 'joiner'. These can be made or Brownells sells a Monte Kennedy design that works well.  They are long fairly fine cutters used to straighten lines gone astray,,,,and that most certainly WILL happen...  I use a very small thin bladed Exacto knife to transfer patterns to the wood and a flexable straight edge to take a line around the curve of the stock.  These staight edges I make from discarded steel tape measure blades.  A carpenter should have one or a replacement blade can be cut.. 1/2 in width is about right.  I have several in different lengths.  I also have in my 'kit' vieners (60 and 90 degree), bent needle files (several pitches), carving tools (to cut concave ribbons and relieve fleurdelies patterns), skip line spacers, and an old tooth brush to clean the filing dust from the pattern..  I guess the skipline spacers sort of date me, huh?  The key is to learn about the process, the styles, and how they were achieved.  Then go slowly.  Patience!  Speed will come. One must craw, then stand, then walk before we attempt running.  If you have any questions please just ask...  I believe I have made all the errors possible, I just have forgotten most in the interest of personnal sanity!  But formost, buy the book first.  I have seen them on Ebay and other auction sites at quite reasonable prices.  Good luck!!
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« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2003, 12:39:20 AM »
Thank you, thank you, thank you, for taking the time to post. Great info. Good advice on the ebay thing, Duh what was I thinking??? I think I'll post on some forums also, hoping someone is bored with it.  The Dembart master kit seems very reasonable new. I'll be posting in the future I'm sure. This is how I started reloading, a dozen die and 5 presses later I'm on another "hobbie".

good for me ,

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« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2003, 06:12:29 AM »
Norville, I believe I have a copy of that book if you are interested. Drop me an E-mail

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« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2003, 03:33:58 PM »
:gun4: Norville It's good to practice on Ash.  Cut some blocks about 8" long 2" X 3".  As you get better you can round one edge- bottom like a fore-arm.  Put the block in a vice Lay out a triangle 1 1/2 X 3.  First cut your pencil marks with exacto knife and ruler.  Next use a single cuter to cut around the trangle.  Then a double cutter on one edge and continue across trangle.  I found it very important to have a stiff rist.  Use the single cutter for clean-up cuts at the intersections.  LIGHT cuts first.  It takes three cuts before you get the diamonds.  When you get better, You will need to make a U DIVICE WITH SCREWS-bolts ON EACH END to hold your practice blocks.  This allows you to turn the wood while locked in your vice.  LOTS of practice.  You will find its a little harder to work in your U bracket.  Bracket is about 8-9 inches long flat metal-bent on the ends about 3-4 inches enough to fit your practice block.  Thread 1/2 or so.  Use all thread.  Sharpen one end to a point and a T handle on the other.  Center on the ends of your block.  Junk stocks are good to practice on.   Good luck  Supermag505
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